What is the use of teaching moral values in elementary and high school when people cannot even agree on what is morality?

Nov 2014
410
ph
#1
Is there a use in teaching morality to children and adolescents when people cannot even agree on a common standard of morality? And any type of morally that is being taught is going to produce complaints of indoctrination? Like social conservatives, and liberals agree that love is a good thing, but both have different standards of what is acceptable under love, and both conservatives like Nicholas I and Lee Kuan Yew, and Ayatollah al Sistani, liberals, and libertarians agree that some amount of freedom is good a good thing, but disagree on how much freedom is a good thing. And anarchists are likely to disagree that teaching children patriotism, even Civic nationalism, is a good thing.
 
Oct 2009
3,561
San Diego
#2
Is there a use in teaching morality to children and adolescents when people cannot even agree on a common standard of morality? And any type of morally that is being taught is going to produce complaints of indoctrination? Like social conservatives, and liberals agree that love is a good thing, but both have different standards of what is acceptable under love, and both conservatives like Nicholas I and Lee Kuan Yew, and Ayatollah al Sistani, liberals, and libertarians agree that some amount of freedom is good a good thing, but disagree on how much freedom is a good thing. And anarchists are likely to disagree that teaching children patriotism, even Civic nationalism, is a good thing.
well- none of that has anything to do with morality.
Conservatives the world over are authoritarian.
Liberals the world over believe in more individual autonomy.

But morality is not a social order.

Morality is the consideration you owe to your community of fellows because you are all reliant on one another to survive.

The simple test for whether something is moral or immoral is to ask this one question of any proposed action... 'Okay- so what if EVERYONE was to do the same?- would that accrue to the benefit of society or the detriment of society?'

So- take littering. if you are considering throwing some trash on the ground...ask yourself, what would be the result if Everyone threw trash on the ground? Well, the world would be a trash heap- ergo littering is immoral. But what if everyone picked up one piece of trash each day? The world would be clean and trash free. Clearly a moral act.

Morality should be taught in this simple and effective form.

And more importantly, every school age child should be taught Stoicism and a philosophical foundation for living a moral life.
 
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Jun 2019
2
Slovenia
#3
People who question the existence of morality should be weeded out of the gene pool. Particularly those who wrap their psychoticism in some sort of philosophical debate in order to dilute the common sense telling you some things shouldn't really be done.
It's just bad business somewhere down the road if they're left unattended.
 

Naomasa298

Forum Staff
Apr 2010
34,593
T'Republic of Yorkshire
#4
Like social conservatives, and liberals agree that love is a good thing, but both have different standards of what is acceptable under love
You're not talking about love. You're talking about sexuality.

You are clearly confused about what you are talking about.
 
Mar 2019
1,471
Kansas
#5
The simple test for whether something is moral or immoral is to ask this one question of any proposed action... 'Okay- so what if EVERYONE was to do the same?- would that accrue to the benefit of society or the detriment of society?'
And that is the sort of bedrock morality that is and should be taught. It was not so long ago anyone with a tattoo was looked down upon, today it seems rarer to find a clean skin, at least in the US. And the sort of morality that changes from generation to generation should be kept out of schools.
 
Jun 2019
55
St.Petersburg
#6
Diversity is mandatory for any type of progress. Diversity of morality is necessary for social progress. But some common basics keep the society from disintegration.
These basics are changing constantly, but they should be presented at any time.
 
Jul 2017
292
Srpska
#7
Don't cheat, don't steal, do no harm, be honest. I'ts pretty simple, and you get the basics right after you learn to walk.
From early on in school they teach you to say what is in the books, in other words do not lie and invent things, and do not cheat and do not steal the work of others.
Very important. Primary goals of schooling.
 
Jun 2017
348
maine
#9
Perhaps one of the problems is that there is a difference between morality and ethics. Morality--is relative and therefore can vary from one culture to another, from one time to another. Ethics (which is usually codified in law) if far more permanent and often far more universal. As I remember my studies in philosophy, morality is more the realm of good/evil while ethics has to do with right/wrong. The example that I like is that it is ethics that tell you not to lie but it is morality that tells you that honesty is not always the best policy when your wife says "does this dress make me look fat?"
 
Jul 2016
9,562
USA
#10
Conservatives the world over are authoritarian.
Liberals the world over believe in more individual autonomy.
LOL

So the conservatives, who believe in Constitutional freedoms and limited govt, are authorarian.
And the liberals, who want big govt socialism controlling everything, are for individual autonomy.

Oh the irony.....ROFL
 

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