What is your opinion of Ulysses S. Grant?

Jan 2018
182
San Antonio
#41
I would argue Sherman had little to do with the defeat of Hood...
Argue away. But it’s factual that Hood was defeated and the rebellion in the West crushed by forces under Sherman’s command. That’s history. Your what ifs aren’t.
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
4,087
Sydney
#42
true Sherman had very little to do ,
just stand there and watch Hood break his head in foolish assaults
one would have been OK , three was moronic
Sherman was probably praying for a fourth and loosing very little sleep over it

the best move of Hood was retreating west after all his failure
trying to draw Sherman into a wild goose chase " a la Johnston"
it frustrated Sherman no end and cemented his determination to stop such unfruitful pursuits and go for the confederacy guts
 

Chlodio

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Aug 2016
3,642
Dispargum
#43
Sherman probably had more to do with the collapse of Lee's army in the winter of '65. By raiding through Georgia and the Carolinas, destroying railroads, eating and destroying all of the surplus food, etc, Sherman starved Lee's army. Also, his raiding convinced a lot of Lee's men to desert to go home and protect their families from Sherman's raids.
 
Oct 2015
735
Virginia
#44
Thomas defeated Hood and destroyed the Army of Tennessee at Nashville, Thomas suggested the Snake Creek Gap maneuver, Thomas pointed out to Sherman that he could crush Hardee at Jonestown, Thomas fought the battle of Peachtree Creek, Thomas saved Grant at Chattanooga when Sherman bungled his job. McPherson, Logan and Howard fought the battles around Atlanta.
You can only rampage thru the enemy heartland, wrecking railroads, killing livestock and eating up supplies (things Sherman did superlatively well) if somebody has eliminated (or contained) the enemies' field force.
 
Jan 2018
182
San Antonio
#45
Thomas defeated Hood and destroyed the Army of Tennessee at Nashville, Thomas suggested the Snake Creek Gap maneuver, Thomas pointed out to Sherman that he could crush Hardee at Jonestown, Thomas fought the battle of Peachtree Creek, Thomas saved Grant at Chattanooga when Sherman bungled his job. McPherson, Logan and Howard fought the battles around Atlanta.
You can only rampage thru the enemy heartland, wrecking railroads, killing livestock and eating up supplies (things Sherman did superlatively well) if somebody has eliminated (or contained) the enemies' field force.
We know Sherman wasn’t at his best at tactics. Which was why he, as an army group commander, was most wise when he delegated the fighting of battles to Thomas, Howard, Logan etc. So, the enemy field force having been eliminated by his subordinate the wonderfully tactically talented Thomas (his right bower) Sherman was free to rampage through a Georgia and the Carolinas, threaten Lee with the Great Army of the West coming up to play in his yard and just raise Hell in general. Things worked out pretty well.
 
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#46
The question that Sherman asked was the mother who packed her son up and sent him to war any less guilty than her soldier son , was the farmer raising and feeding the Confederate army his produce any less guilty than the soldier . The object of war is not necessarily to defeat and kill the enemy but the object is to force him to play nice !
Sheridan did the same thing in the Shenandoah valley , destroying every thing so that Lee could not get it .
 
Jan 2017
4,087
Sydney
#48
Both Sherman and Grant understood the war , their forces and the main poin of being constantly on the offensive
by 1864 , the Union armies were properly equipped and led by competent officers
procedures , tactics were mature , there was no need for the armies commanders to micromanage ,
while the civil war officers were a cagey bunch ,sometimes even prima donna , there was no protest at Sherman conduct of operations
it was HIS army and HIS men
 
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Jun 2017
2,578
Connecticut
#49
Here are some further questions, but I'm most interested in hearing your general opinions first:

Hero of the Union, or butcher of men and bad President?

Was he the greatest general of the war?
Exact opposite of the popular consensus. Overrated general who got tens of thousands of people needlessly killed, but great President one of the best.
 
Jan 2017
4,087
Sydney
#50
Grant was no butcher , he press the war , talking his loses
cold harbor happened because nobody really was in charge ,
Spotsylvania was the use of a new tactic in charging entrenchments which had proven to be successful
Petersburg was the greatest fear of Robert E lee , a siege clamping him in an unwinnable position