What is your opinion of Ulysses S. Grant?

Viperlord

Ad Honorem
Aug 2010
8,108
VA
#51
Thomas defeated Hood and destroyed the Army of Tennessee at Nashville, Thomas suggested the Snake Creek Gap maneuver, Thomas pointed out to Sherman that he could crush Hardee at Jonestown, Thomas fought the battle of Peachtree Creek, Thomas saved Grant at Chattanooga when Sherman bungled his job. McPherson, Logan and Howard fought the battles around Atlanta.
You can only rampage thru the enemy heartland, wrecking railroads, killing livestock and eating up supplies (things Sherman did superlatively well) if somebody has eliminated (or contained) the enemies' field force.
Among other problems here, it is flatly ridiculous to argue Thomas saved Grant at Chattanooga when neither Thomas nor Grant ordered that charge up Missionary Ridge.
 
Dec 2011
4,640
Iowa USA
#52
Among other problems here, it is flatly ridiculous to argue Thomas saved Grant at Chattanooga when neither Thomas nor Grant ordered that charge up Missionary Ridge.
"On Wisconsin!"

The older MacArthur was recognized with the CMH for that action, perhaps? Agree that Thomas' staff wouldn't have come up with that and there's little reason to think Thomas' initial reaction would have been approving?
 

Viperlord

Ad Honorem
Aug 2010
8,108
VA
#53
The conventional wisdom is that the troops themselves, finding themselves in an untenable position when they took the initial trenches at the base of the ridge, kept going on their own accord, urged on and led in a few cases by division or brigade commanders, particularly Thomas Wood and Philip Sheridan.
 

sparky

Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
4,379
Sydney
#54
It has been written that the confederates positions were on the geographical crest rather than the military crest located a bit lower
this created a "shadow " from the rifle fire , which the Union troops which had been told to demonstrate to relieve Sherman took advantage of
some other troops misunderstood the movement and kept charging uphill , not taking much fire until reaching the crest
meanwhile the original move by Sherman was foundering in a ravine under the well drilled fire of Cleburne men
 

royal744

Ad Honoris
Jul 2013
10,369
San Antonio, Tx
#55
Grant is my American hero. When he (or his close associate Shsrman) was in command, the Union generally won battles and when not, it generally lost.

He recovered from a very bad first stint in the Army and rose to supreme command and then to President.

He wasn’t a great President, but his Reconstruction policies were generally successful and he broke the first Ku Klux Klan—an early terrorist Organization.

He lost most of his money in a financial scam and then recovered by writing one of the best military memoirs ever before his death from cancer.

For too many years his reputation was denigrated by pro-Confederate historians.

Edit: He and Sherman also pursued the “indirect approach” in military strategy—try to outflank the enemy rather than attack head-on. There were only a few battles in which he unwisely tried direct assaults and from those exceptional battles he got the name of “butcher.”
As far as I am concerned, he was the greatest general of the Civil War. He knew when to fight, how to fight, and when to continue fighting when anyone else would have quit.