What lesson(s) should be learned from the history of the holocaust?

Futurist

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#92
Maybe the Holocaust taught us that shoving people into gas chambers and murdering them is bad?
Yep, this--as well as not to give total political power in any country to a totalitarian party that consists of nutjobs.

Interestingly enough, I do wonder if censoring or banning speech which talked about the Jewish participation in Communist and/or socialist movements in various European countries would have actually reduced anti-Semitism and prevented the Holocaust. Personally, I doubt it considering that this might have simply caused far-righters to believe that not only is there a global Jewish left-wing conspiracy, but that there is also a conspiracy to conceal the Jewish role in left-wing movements in Europe! :(

Interestingly enough, Winston Churchill actually did write about Jewish participation in European Communist movements in a 1920 article of his--albeit with a lot of nuance about how Jews should embrace Zionism rather than Bolshevism and about how patriotic Jews in countries such as Britain should be praised for their actions and efforts:

Zionism versus Bolshevism - Wikisource, the free online library

I wonder if even Churchill himself could have been accused of engaging in hate speech using 21st century standards by writing and publishing that article.
 

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#93
I do not think you can really argue with racists and anti-Semites because they won't accept any arguments that do not support their position and will instead dismiss them by claiming there is a wide conspiracy that is twisting facts.
So, you don't think that there is any way for them to actually be redeemed?
 

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#95
I not aware of any attempt to ban Naxzi speech. How is this a lesson from the Holocaust?
If anything, one might wonder if the Holocaust caused a significant number of people to believe in the opposite conclusion--as in, that offending speech and especially what they consider to be "hate speech" should be either banned or at the very least its speakers should be publicly shamed and humiliated. Of course, the risk is in defining hate speech too broadly. For instance, look at the treatment that Arthur Jensen (who really does appear to have been a well-meaning guy) received after writing that famous 1969 article of his:

Arthur Jensen - Wikipedia

"After the paper was released, large protests were held, demanding that Jensen be fired. Jensen's car tires were slashed, the university police provided him with plain-clothes bodyguards, and he and his family received threats that were considered so realistic by the police that they temporarily left their house. Jensen was spat on and was prevented from delivering lectures by disruptive protests. The editorial board of the Harvard Educational Review for a time refused to let him have reprints of his article, and said that they had not solicited the section on racial differences; Jensen later provided correspondence in which the board had requested he do so.[11][12][13]"

He wasn't silenced, but he still received mistreatment from some people simply for speaking out about a controversial topic in a way that displeased a lot of people.
 

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#98
That gas chambers are a waste of time and delusionally-ridden nonsense. You can just kill who you hate racially. No need to waste time on silly fantasy-cliche things. Hint: I don't support the holocaust in the slightest.
If you don't support the Holocaust in the slightest, why exactly did you say what you said in this post?
 
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