What makes Kosovo a Serbian land and why should it join Serbia?

Jan 2015
1,550
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Come on man, in those censuses boycotts are a common thing. Albanians have always had higher fertility rates than Serbs. Plus the last one only counts south Kosovo, leaving out North Kosovo. As a guy who acts like wants only to find out the truth, you act pretty biased.
Seriously, how many Serbs do you think are left? You think Albanians went from 47% to +- 90% just by their high fertility rate? That's insane. Especially if you consider the fact Serbs had a high fertility rate themselves until fairly recently in these less advanced areas, e.g my grandparents on my mother's side had 10 siblings each living in the mountainous and forested areas of Lika, Croatia. My father's side in Bosnia had somewhat less, 5-6 siblings. Now then, this was around 40s and 50s of the past century. How much do you think Serbs had children in Kosovo in the 1800s, one of the poorest regions of ex-Yugoslavia? Albanians may have had more children on average but the rift was certainly not as large as it is today. Certainly not enough to make Serbs go from 43% to less than 2%(?) in a 100 years.
 
May 2016
217
Antartica
Try to find out reliable sources instead, you'll have a hard time, time to get in touch with reality.
Quick question: why are Serbian sources automatically false, but others arent? What are reliable sources in your opinion?
 

Tsar

Ad Honorem
Apr 2015
2,010
Serbia
@Tsar

Please top spamming the forum with the official Serb historiography,
Had you spent more than 30 seconds to read my "spam", you would have noticed that any of the sources aren't Serbian (Ranke, Austrian and Russian consuls...) and/or rely mostly on non-Serbian sources, and/or are primary sources. Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they're not true.


I can do the same with the Albanian one, it says you guys are nomads who came in the Balkans not that early.
As you would have noticed had you spent more time on text and less on the author's nationality you would have noticed that the "spam" was my reply to the post of King Kong regarding the 19th century and the battle of Kosovo. In any case you're free to post whatever you want.

The empty phraseology at the end of your post doesn't even deserve a proper reply.
 
Jul 2016
73
Europe
Seriously, how many Serbs do you think are left? You think Albanians went from 47% to +- 90% just by their high fertility rate? That's insane. Especially if you consider the fact Serbs had a high fertility rate themselves until fairly recently in these less advanced areas, e.g my grandparents on my mother's side had 10 siblings each living in the mountainous and forested areas of Lika, Croatia. My father's side in Bosnia had somewhat less, 5-6 siblings. Now then, this was around 40s and 50s of the past century. How much do you think Serbs had children in Kosovo in the 1800s, one of the poorest regions of ex-Yugoslavia? Albanians may have had more children on average but the rift was certainly not as large as it is today. Certainly not enough to make Serbs go from 43% to less than 2%(?) in a 100 years.
Focus, first most of those censuses were taken under Yugoslavia which was well known for Slavo-centrism and even anti-Albanianism. So the number of the Serbs might have been exaggerated greatly. Second the last of the censuses is crazy low for a few reasons. It only counts the part of Kosovo which is outside North Kosovo were the Serbs are almost entirely based. Second, a large part of Serbs boycotted this census. Third, Albanians living abroad registered themselves in the census, I highly doubt Serbs living abroad did. Fourth, all authorities involved in it could speak Albanian, but not all could speak Serbian, so maybe there were misunderstandings. Finally a lot of Albanians who fled Yugoslavia during 45-92 era applied for Kosovan citizenship, I highly doubt the Serbs of Kosovo who left during this time applied for Kosovan citizenship. Be smart, if you go in the north of Kosovo, 99% are Serbs. That alone tells you that the number of ethnic Serbs is almost identical in percentage compared to the Albanians, to what it used to be in 1991.

Quick question: why are Serbian sources automatically false, but others arent? What are reliable sources in your opinion?
In history there's no such thing as X or Y sources, you only have factual or non-factual sources, and yes the Serb historiography is pure garbage based on nationalism with zero facts in it. I challenge you to read those books again and find the sources that they use, do it, lets see.
 

Tsar

Ad Honorem
Apr 2015
2,010
Serbia
@Ao Shin

Sorry to hear that you're so disappointed with Serbian historiography, could you tell us what works have you read and which ones make you conclude so?
 
Jan 2017
45
Germany
Historical speaking Kosovo is only one of hundreds of countries that are displaced for reasons of wars. The most recent war that gave Serbs the places they own today is the Balkanic wars. As far as we know Albania was the big loser from this war.
Unfortunately today there are no "fair-borders" and only war can change them again. And it well known that the winners of wars write always the history.
Considering this truth there is no point discussing which belongs where.
In my opinion worth discussing is how we get in this situations. How tribes have moved in ages and the extensions of these moves. I think this can be the way we could know the origin of peoples and what a country really can be.
 

Maki

Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
3,552
Republika Srpska
The reason why Kosovo is so important to Serbia is that the medieval battle of Kosovo is the most important event in Serbian history. It's the stone on which the Serbian patriotism and pride is built upon, many songs have been written about that event, the battle reached an almost mythical status for the Serbs. Combine that with the fact that Kosovo was the center of medieval Serbian state and that many Serbian monasteries and churches such as Pećka Patrijaršija and Visoki Dečani are located in Kosovo, it's not hard to see why is Kosovo so important to Serbia.
 
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Oct 2019
95
West Virginia
Trying to find historical precedent for ownership of Kosovo or of most European territory is futile. So many peoples have moved, won and lost wars, been assimilated into other ethnicities, and so on, that it is an undecipherable tangle.

As for Kosovo... didn't Celtic people live there in Roman times? Perhaps it is rightly part of Ireland!

Is there any border in Europe not eligible for disputation? What about the Hungarian population left in every surrounding nation after the redrawing of the borders following WW1?

Who was where, and when? Lord have mercy...

These things now have to be adjudicated by human rights considerations, because history is an impossible tangle. The Serbs lost Kosovo because of their malfeasance in Bosnia. Absent that, Clinton's motivation to back the Kosovar Albanians would have been absent.
 

Maki

Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
3,552
Republika Srpska
The Serbs lost Kosovo because of their malfeasance in Bosnia. Absent that, Clinton's motivation to back the Kosovar Albanians would have been absent.
Clinton supported the Albanians because it was in American interest to support them. Yes, they justified by saying they were preventing next Srebrenica, but when they could find no Serb atrocities on that scale in Kosovo, they faked Račak in order to justify the bombing.