- Oct 2011
- Italy, Lago Maggiore
Two notes: you have attributed to me something I didn't say ...Of course they did. Not sure what some posters are talking about to be honest
If nothing else you do provide entertainment on here Latino. It was a muslim land for 300 years?!!!
Having studied it all for so long, I am firmly under the impression that the sread of the 'arab empire' across the map was at least in part due to the desperation with the brutal and hierarchical rule of the Byzantines in the Middle East and North Africa and the Visigoths in Hispania
Yes they did, see above. Normans conquered 'muslim Sicily'
Interestingly it seems that muslim settlement started a good time before muslim rule, suggesting either some sort of vacuum or at least acquiescence. I think it's another example of today's thoughts being coloured by the crusading era later.
In the 10th century tha Caliphate of Cordoba reached it's height, militarily and economically. Their next door neighbours and enemies, the Fatimids would have been much more likley to take over Sicily. But it remained an independent Emirate which, presumably, left it ripe for eventual Norman invasion
Interestingly the Normans of course held possessions in Ifriqiya, modern day Tunisia, until they were evicted by the expansion of the Almohad Empire. At one stage only Mahdia remained, a very denfensible sort of Peninsula. The Normans defended it with some brilliance for a long time, until suurender was inevitable. So much brilliance that the Caliph Abd Al Mu'min was moved to grant the remaining Normans free passage back to Sicily on their ships as a reward for their bravery.
Unfortunately a storm came off the coast of Siciliy and they all drowned.
As related by Huici Miranda in his hstory of the Almohad Empire
"Indeed, and one wonders how objectionable Arab rule was at certain points. It was not for nothing that in the Life of Neilos of Rossano, the Byzantine governor gave orders for the cities of Calabria to prepare ships for an expedition to Sicily and they burned the ships and beheaded the captains. "
Not my words. Kirialax said that.
you comment: "Yes they did, see above. Normans conquered 'muslim Sicily'"
Sicily is not a "good part" of Southern Italy. Normans conquered also part of continental Italy ... showing to be well more effective.