What was the maximum that the Japanese were prepared to give before Pearl Harbour?

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What were the maximum in terms of concessions that the Japanese were prepared to give? Were they willing to go back to the front line before the Marco Polo bridge incident? Or were they only willing to accept some sort of a cease fire in China and maybe some sort of power sharing deal with the KMT?
 
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Apparently, the only "concession" they were willing to make was to withdraw troops from southern Indochina. They further insisted the US stop aid to China and resume sale of oil to Japan.
See the note presented to Secretary Hull on 7 December; which Hull said was ..."crowded with infamous falsehoods and distortions".

avalon.law.yale.edu/wwii/p3.asp
 
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Lord Fairfax

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They further insisted the US stop aid to China and resume sale of oil to Japan.
They didn't insist on American oil, if the British and Dutch had agreed to lift the oil embargo they would have cancelled attacks against the Western powers.
However the UK and Dutch were supporting economic measures taken by the US
 

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and that hot dogs should be universally replaced at American baseball games by Sushi?
 
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I hesitate to contradict "Black Tom", and it is possibly true that the Japanese might have cancelled their attack plans if oil was provided by the British or Dutch. But paragraph 3, point 3 of the Japanese note specifically says "The United States government will provide Japan the required quantity of oil."
 
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Lord Fairfax

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The ABCD embargo/boycott as the Japanese called it.
A=America
B=Britain
C=China
D=Dutch
What were the Chinese embargoing? :think:

I hesitate to contradict "Black Tom", and it is possibly true that the Japanese might have cancelled their attack plans if oil was provided by the British or Dutch. But paragraph 3, point 3 of the Japanese note specifically says "The United States government will provide Japan the required quantity of oil."
Indeed, and that may have been a negotiating position, or perhaps "provide" in this context means oil paid for with US held Japanese accounts (also frozen) - regardless of where the oil was actually sourced.
However, in writing his book Stanley Falk went through the minutes of the Imperial Japanese Conferences, they were prepared to call the attacks off, even at the end of November, if they got their oil.

The Burma road was an annoyance, but they were prepared to ignore that, and it seems they were prepared to write off the frozen accounts, but the oil embargo was the deal breaker.
 

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Indeed, and that may have been a negotiating position, or perhaps "provide" in this context means oil paid for with US held Japanese accounts (also frozen) - regardless of where the oil was actually sourced.
However, in writing his book Stanley Falk went through the minutes of the Imperial Japanese Conferences, they were prepared to call the attacks off, even at the end of November, if they got their oil.

The Burma road was an annoyance, but they were prepared to ignore that, and it seems they were prepared to write off the frozen accounts, but the oil embargo was the deal breaker.
That is what I've read as well and the question is what Japan intended to use that oil towards. Majority of the oil was for Japanese military at that point in time... sure there were plans to increase civilian usage but realistically Japan wanted the oil to continue its military operations with the prime target being China.

So lifting oil embargo was tantamount approval of western powers for Japanese war in China which is what the embargo was put in place specifically to stop. Sure it wasn't 'fair' as western nations already had privileged positions in China which Japanese growth of influence was threatening but the embargo was essentially a measure against a war of aggression.

Japan could have focused on Manchuria (Japanese rule since 1931) and Korea(since 1910) while modernizing further and waited for China to inevitably become the aggressor to reclaim Manchuria. The oil embargo wasn't even contemplated until 1937 or put in place until 1941 so Japan had nearly 30 years to colonize and integrate its conquests and no need to continue invasion of China other than pride and ambition.
 
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