What was the status of Latvian and Estonian aristocrats/chiefs in the 18th century?

sparky

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Jan 2017
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" Russia as a historical concept is a bit of a moving target. A lot of telescoping of preferred post-fact outcomes into history goes on with it.
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that's a bold statement which Russians would beg to differ with ,
there was no Novgorod Russia there was the Veliki Novgorod which had ( usually ) a Russian prince as protector
while they were a proud independent minded mob , they never thought of themselves as anything but Russians
their enemies were West ,in Livonia ,for protection they relied on the Moscow grand duke
 

pikeshot1600

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Jul 2009
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The inhabitants of Livonia sometimes looked to the Muscovite as a protector or liberator from the German nobility (perhaps also the burghers).

Also, that Baltic nobility, subsequent to the Great Northern War, saw in Russia a social and political refuge from the "progressive" attitudes of the Swedish monarchy in the later 17th century. While the Balts gained from service to the Swedish state, they were obstructed in their established privileges regarding the use of their peasant tenants. The outcome of the GNW at least partially solved that for them.

In exchange for obedience to and support for the Czar's rule, the Baltic German nobility had few restrictions on how they could use and abuse their peasants for economic benefit.
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
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they actually overdid it ,
the status of the Baltic peasants went down once the pressure of warfare was removed
there was no reason for the landowners to hold back on their predation
 

pikeshot1600

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Jul 2009
9,958
they actually overdid it ,
the status of the Baltic peasants went down once the pressure of warfare was removed
there was no reason for the landowners to hold back on their predation
Russians; Prussians; Baltic Junkers......what are the peasants among friends?