What were the most realistic ways for Israel to do worse in 1948-1949?

Futurist

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What were the most realistic ways for Israel to do worse in its 1948-1949 war of independence? Also, in such a scenario, which territories that Israel was able to acquire in real life would not have been a part of Israel?

For instance, was it easy for the Siege of Jerusalem to have went the other way and for the Arabs to conquer all of Jerusalem? If so, would Israel have accepted the loss of all of Jerusalem or would it have tried to reconquer Jerusalem later on?

Any thoughts on all of this?

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pugsville

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What were the most realistic ways for Israel to do worse in its 1948-1949 war of independence? Also, in such a scenario, which territories that Israel was able to acquire in real life would not have been a part of Israel?

For instance, was it easy for the Siege of Jerusalem to have went the other way and for the Arabs to conquer all of Jerusalem? If so, would Israel have accepted the loss of all of Jerusalem or would it have tried to reconquer Jerusalem later on?

Any thoughts on all of this?

@pugsville, @starman
Britain resupplies the Arab legion sometime before the conflict starts rather than running down supplies. Perhaps the loss of All of Jersalem , Jordan is able to annex more of the west bank.

Britain does not appoint Al Haj Mufti and a more inclusive Arab leader arises and the Arabs are more united within Palestine.

Israeli attempts at arms purchases fail to some extent more than histoically.
 

Futurist

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Britain resupplies the Arab legion sometime before the conflict starts rather than running down supplies. Perhaps the loss of All of Jersalem , Jordan is able to annex more of the west bank.
How much additional territory does Jordan annex in this scenario besides West Jerusalem?

Britain does not appoint Al Haj Mufti and a more inclusive Arab leader arises and the Arabs are more united within Palestine.
Does this result in a complete Palestinian/Arab victory?

Israeli attempts at arms purchases fail to some extent more than histoically.
Same question as above.
 

pugsville

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How much additional territory does Jordan annex in this scenario besides West Jerusalem?
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The British dictated the Jordan was restricted to the proposed Arab state for opertaions. The Arab Legion had British officers. British control was pretty complete. Big step for the British to be totally opposed to a Jewish state which would be the lifting of this. Jordanians were mopre realtistic about what could be done.

Does this result in a complete Palestinian/Arab victory?
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No but better organized and united Palestinian Arab command might lead to the Arab defense being a lot tougher. Though the Arab states were pretty hostile to idea of an Indepednent Palestiain state so very reluctatnat and tardy with the arms historically.


Same question as above.
No. the Zionsits had stockpiled a lot of weapons., (secretly imported, stolen, given by British in ww2 collabration) had some manufacturing capability, had had much better contacts globally. But teh failure of the Czech arms deal could had lead to the Israelis being much more willing to made a peace early maybe after teh armstice, if they were seriously short of arms.
 
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Futurist

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Thanks for this information!

Also, for what it's worth, Jordan actually failed to capture and/or hold the westernmost part of the east bank of the Arab state that was proposed by the UN in its 1947 Palestine Partition Plan. This is why Lod, Ramle, et cetera ended up inside of Israel rather than inside of the West Bank.