What would a war between Russia and the US look like today?

sparky

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it's probable than both homelands would not be targeted ,
the Russian Army Red Star has published scenarios where a defensive option would be to create a nuclear wasteland West of Belorussian
they have voiced the concept of "escalade to de-escalate "
basically using tactical nukes on Europe to demonstrate their commitment not to surrender to nuclear blackmail
suitable threats of hitting Germany , Denmark and the Nederland would see those countries desirous to avoid being part of this kind of madness
especially if the threats are coming from the US as is usual those days
 

Futurist

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Supposing Russia and US were to go to war today over Russia invading some European country, be it Ukraine or some other bordering country and the US decided to go to war with them over it (putting aside the plausibility of this scenario) and supposing neither country launched a nuke and it was all conventional warfare, what would that war look like?

What I mean by that is, would that be exclusively ground warfare in the invaded country, would it be multiple fronts, would there be naval warfare, would either country try to bomb the other from the air etc.

I know it's probably impossible to say, but if you could speculate.

And, as a secondary question, has there ever been an instance in history where two countries that have had the bomb have gone to war with each other?
First of all, how about we answer this question--is Belarus actually going to be a Russian ally in this scenario? Because that could make a difference in regards to whether or not the Baltic countries initially end up under Russian occupation.
 

Futurist

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There have been border skirmishes between India and Pakistan. A better precedent for what you're looking for might be the restraint exercised by the major powers in WW2 in not using chemical weapons. It was the fear of retaliation. Japan used poison gas in China and Italy used poison gas in Ethiopia because their enemy in each case could not retaliate in kind. Where both sides had chemical warfare capability, neither side used chemical weapons.
The US also exercised restraint in not nuking China in 1950-1951.
 

Edratman

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The US also exercised restraint in not nuking China in 1950-1951.
I've read an article or two that have reported that the possibility of nuclear weapons was given serious consideration at the time. If the articles are accurate, thankfully wiser minds prevailed. It also makes sense that the option was considered as a possible course of action.
 
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Futurist

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I've read an article or two that have reported that the possibility of nuclear weapons was given serious consideration at the time. If the articles are accurate, thankfully wiser minds prevailed. It also makes sense that the option was considered as a possible course of action.
This is probably very obvious, but I strongly suspect that the US didn't want to use nuclear weapons too casually since this could create a rather nasty precedent.
 
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Edratman

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This is probably very obvious, but I strongly suspect that the US didn't want to use nuclear weapons too casually since this could create a rather nasty precedent.
That is one of several possible arguments opposing the use of nuclear weapons; others would be using them again against Orientals, nukes are considered too toxic to use, bombing China in any manner would not result in Chinese withdrawal, rather it would cause expansion in scope of the war by several magnitudes...
 
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Isleifson

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How many children does the average American family has? Not that much.
And a Russian family even less : Wars inbetween societys with not much son's able to go to war don't last long.
See Russia versus Ukraine.
 
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Futurist

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That is one of several possible arguments opposing the use of nuclear weapons; others would be using them again against Orientals, nukes are considered too toxic to use, bombing China in any manner would not result in Chinese withdrawal, rather it would cause expansion in scope of the war by several magnitudes...
Was the first belief (two nuking of Orientals) motivated by a fear that Americans are going to be viewed as racist for doing this?

As for nukes being too toxic to use, do you mean figuratively, literally, or both?
 

Futurist

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How many children does the average American family has? Not that much.
And a Russian family even less : Wars inbetween societys with not much son's able to go to war don't last long.
See Russia versus Ukraine.
Or Transnistria. Or Nagorno-Karabakh. Or the two Georgian conflicts. Or the Korean War.
 
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How many children does the average American family has? Not that much.
And a Russian family even less : Wars inbetween societys with not much son's able to go to war don't last long.
See Russia versus Ukraine.
Both have more than enough for a conventional WW3. Ukraine conflict never came even remotely close to strain manpower resources. Russians only began to feel the tickle after two and a half decades of back to back Afghanistan-Chechnya-Chechnya conflicts.

What you said is right but it happens only in case of very long drawn and resource consuming wars like WW2. A US Russia full blown war may eventually come to that.

Regional disturbances like Transnistria or Nagorno-Karabakh aren't anything like that either.