What would Latvia and Estonia look like after 100 years of German rule?

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BTW, how much do you think that Germany is going to benefit from controlling the Baltic coastline nonstop from Hamburg all of the way up north to Narva? After all, this is going to ensure that a lot of Poland's and Lithuania's commerce and trade is going to have to go through German ports.
 
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BTW, how much do you think that Germany is going to benefit from controlling the Baltic coastline nonstop from Hamburg all of the way up north to Narva? After all, this is going to ensure that a lot of Poland's and Lithuania's commerce and trade is going to have to go through German ports.
In this scenario Germany wins (more or less) ww1, so Lithuania, Poland and most of eastern Europe would be puppet states, so dominating trade would be just one of many advantages they hold over them. This would mostly make the Baltic a german lake and the most advantageous aspect would be the ability to bottle up Russia at St. Petersburg/Leningrad (which is partly why Russia wanted the Baltic states so bad).
 
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In this scenario Germany wins (more or less) ww1, so Lithuania, Poland and most of eastern Europe would be puppet states, so dominating trade would be just one of many advantages they hold over them. This would mostly make the Baltic a german lake and the most advantageous aspect would be the ability to bottle up Russia at St. Petersburg/Leningrad (which is partly why Russia wanted the Baltic states so bad).
Is NATO likewise able to bottle Russia up right now?

Also, do you think that the Germans are going to build modern highways in the Baltic so that people could move easily travel to and from there?
 

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Potentially but it would be difficult because of Kaliningrad.
NATO can blockade Kaliningrad as well, no?

Maybe but that would undermine the advantages of the sea trade.
Just how profitable and large-scale is this sea trade going to be?

Also, could we see Germany trying to revive the spirit of the Teutonic Knights and the Hanseatic League in the 20th and 21st centuries in this scenario?
 
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NATO can blockade Kaliningrad as well, no?

Just how profitable and large-scale is this sea trade going to be?

Also, could we see Germany trying to revive the spirit of the Teutonic Knights and the Hanseatic League in the 20th and 21st centuries in this scenario?
Yes but two areas are harder than one.
In modern day, not significant.
Imperial Germany wasn't very enthusiastic about the teutonic order as it was a catholic order that the surviving organization was an extension of the Austrian Hapsburgs.
 
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Yes but two areas are harder than one.
True, but not too difficult, I'm presuming?

In modern day, not significant.
Not significant or not insignificant?

Imperial Germany wasn't very enthusiastic about the teutonic order as it was a catholic order that the surviving organization was an extension of the Austrian Hapsburgs.
How'd the Teutonic territories subsequently become Protestant, though?

Also, what about the Hanseatic League?
 
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True, but not too difficult, I'm presuming?

Not significant or not insignificant?

How'd the Teutonic territories subsequently become Protestant, though?

Also, what about the Hanseatic League?
Possible yes.
Not significant, the Baltic territories have only minor resources and terrain limits interior trade, especially since Germany controls Poland.
After the Teutonic Knights defeat by Poland/Lithuania and the Prussian league, they were divided into three orders: The Prussian order, the Livonian order and the German order. The Prussian and Livonian orders later converted to Protestantism and secularized their territories, becoming vassals of Poland (mostly).
The hanes league would undermine Germany's dominance.
 
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Possible yes.
Not significant, the Baltic territories have only minor resources and terrain limits interior trade, especially since Germany controls Poland.
Wouldn't Poles still want to trade with the Balts, though?

After the Teutonic Knights defeat by Poland/Lithuania and the Prussian league, they were divided into three orders: The Prussian order, the Livonian order and the German order. The Prussian and Livonian orders later converted to Protestantism and secularized their territories, becoming vassals of Poland (mostly).
Where was the German order located? Where in Germany?

The hanes league would undermine Germany's dominance.
How so?
 
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Wouldn't Poles still want to trade with the Balts, though?

Where was the German order located? Where in Germany?

How so?
Trade would be dictated by Germany, so only if they allow.
Mostly Germany but also various Mediterranean areas as they were a crusading order. Eventually war whittled it down to just Germany and they became effectively officers of the Hapsburg armies.
 
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