What would Ottoman-Pakistani relations look like?

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
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The purpose of siding with Pakistan in its regional struggle with India would likely for the Ottomans have been an attempt to project their military power and political influence in southern Asia.
Yeah, that makes sense.

BTW, is Pakistan going to be less dependent on China as an ally in this scenario considering that it would already have the Ottoman Empire on its side?
 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
14,231
SoCal
#13
BTW, do you think that both the Ottomans and the Pakistanis are likely to try promoting Muslim separatism in Russia in an attempt to weaken Russia's hold over Central Asia and Azerbaijan?
 
Jun 2018
133
New Hampshire
#14
Wouldn't Pakistani military bases in Afghanistan be much more likely?



Makes sense--though they might want to ally with the Ottomans and Pakistanis if they'll ever be threatened by Russia.



Agreed.

Also, do you think that India can still eventually separate Bangladesh from Pakistan in this scenario?

In addition, someone on Reddit proposed having Pakistan outright join the Ottoman Empire in this scenario since Pakistan is a Muslim state and since the Ottoman Empire was a Caliphate that was apparently meant to represent all Muslims worldwide. Still, I am skeptical of this considering that annexing Pakistan (plus Bangladesh, which was a part of Pakistan back then) would severely alter the demographic balance in the Ottoman Empire--and certainly not in favor of the Turks!
Perhaps Pakistani military bases would be more likely. Though I could just as easily envision these being a joint Ottoman-Pakistani enterprise, just like there are join American-British military bases in certain parts of the world today.

If the Iranians were threatened by Russia they likely would want to align with the Ottomans. However, if the prevailing Middle Eastern situation is still in place in your scenario (perhaps unlikely considering the huge factor of the Ottomans) then the Iranians would have little to fear from the Russians, since Russia and Iran are strategic allies.

Pakistan would certainly be less dependent upon China, and in fact in the scenario you propose, China may in fact be an ally of India due to the latter courting a strategic alliance.

India could certain try to sever Bangladesh from Pakistan, though with Pakistan's powerful Ottoman benefactor, such a scenario would have been extremely dangerous. With the Ottomans throwing their military might behind Pakistan, the conclusion of the first Indo-Pakistani War likely would have ended much differently. With a decisive Ottoman-Pakistani victory, the terms of which would include Pakistan gaining control over the coveted Kashmir region.
 
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Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
14,231
SoCal
#15
Perhaps Pakistani military bases would be more likely. Though I could just as easily envision these being a joint Ottoman-Pakistani enterprise, just like there are join American-British military bases in certain parts of the world today.
Makes sense.

If the Iranians were threatened by Russia they likely would want to align with the Ottomans. However, if the prevailing Middle Eastern situation is still in place in your scenario (perhaps unlikely considering the huge factor of the Ottomans) then the Iranians would have little to fear from the Russians, since Russia and Iran are strategic allies.
Please keep in mind, though, that it's far from clear that wizards still come to power in Iran in this scenario. We are talking about a PoD in the 1910s--which is over sixty years before the Iranian Revolution.

Pakistan would certainly be less dependent upon China, and in fact in the scenario you propose, China may in fact be an ally of India due to the latter courting a strategic alliance.
China is probably going to want some territorial concessions from India in exchange for an alliance, though. After all, China dislikes the MacMahon Line.

India could certain try to sever Bangladesh from Pakistan, though with Pakistan's powerful Ottoman benefactor, such a scenario would have been extremely dangerous. With the Ottomans throwing their military might behind Pakistan, the conclusion of the first Indo-Pakistani War likely would have ended much differently. With a decisive Ottoman-Pakistani victory, the terms of which would include Pakistan gaining control over the coveted Kashmir region.
When was oil discovered in the Middle East? I suspect that the discovery of oil is necessary to make the Ottoman Empire extremely wealthy and powerful. I don't know if this discovery is going to come early enough for the Ottomans to be able to significantly help the Pakistanis out with Kashmir.

As for Bangladesh, please keep in mind that it was completely separated from Pakistan by thousands of kilometers of Indian territory. Such a territory isn't very easy to defend--which is why India was able to crush Pakistan in Bangladesh in 13 days in 1971 in real life. Even if the Ottomans are able to provide a lot of help, I'm very skeptical that they would be able to provide enough help to decisively shift the balance in Pakistan's favor in a war over Bangladesh.
 

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