Whats with all the racism geared twords African history?

Aug 2014
1,079
pakistan
#72
Curious again, you seem to mention only “white” and “black” as if you are mentioning skin colours,
I am pretty sure you know exactly what i mean by Black and White here. People of certain phenotype and cranial features from (or originating from Europe) call themselves White, and people of certain phenotypes and cranial features from (or originating from) Sub-Saharan Africa call themselves black. There are people in Asia (for example in South India or Sri Lanka) who are as black as Sub-Saharan Africans but are not referred to as black race and there are people in Asia as white as Europeans but are not referred to as white race.
 

Tulius

Ad Honorem
May 2016
4,846
Portugal
#73
I am pretty sure you know exactly what i mean by Black and White here. People of certain phenotype and cranial features from (or originating from Europe) call themselves White, and people of certain phenotypes and cranial features from (or originating from) Sub-Saharan Africa call themselves black. There are people in Asia (for example in South India or Sri Lanka) who are as black as Sub-Saharan Africans but are not referred to as black race and there are people in Asia as white as Europeans but are not referred to as white race.
It seems that you didn’t understood what I was trying to say. I was trying to say that there are more racisms that just the cleavage between black and white. Just in my country there are racisms against and by Gypsis, Moors, Pakistanis, Chinese, British, Russian, Jews, etc...

Even so the main cleavage between black and white begun mostly with the industrialization of the slavery from the sub-Saharan Africa, by the end of the 16th century, with the equation that slave is equal to a black person, and so begun to be developed the ideals to justify morally the enslavement of those persons, and all this predates the ideological concept of nationalism…

Besides even the concept of black and white change with time, region and social status.
 
Aug 2014
1,079
pakistan
#74
It seems that you didn’t understood what I was trying to say. I was trying to say that there are more racisms that just the cleavage between black and white. Just in my country there are racisms against and by Gypsis, Moors, Pakistanis, Chinese, British, Russian, Jews, etc....
Thats xenophobia and prejudice. Nothing unusual about it, all the humans around the globe have it.

Racism on the other hand, is very limited and confined. Not so many people are subscribed to White nationalism or Black nationalism. For example all the members of Stormfront forum are racist. Or those African-Americans who say 'Us blacks , them whites' , are racists.
 

Tulius

Ad Honorem
May 2016
4,846
Portugal
#75
Thats xenophobia and prejudice. Nothing unusual about it, all the humans around the globe have it.
If xenophobia and prejudice lead to discrimination, social or legal, than we have racism.

Azad67, you can have your own definitions, but those are your definitions. As pointed in the quotes that I made from Wikipedia and Merriam Webster, there are definitions that are common, are to us all, se we can have a common language to be able to communicate, so when a person says the word “racism”, the other knows about what we are talking about.

Racism on the other hand, is very limited and confined.
Oh! You are an optimist.

Not so many people are subscribed to White nationalism or Black nationalism. For example all the members of Stormfront forum are racist. Or those African-Americans who say 'Us blacks , them whites' , are racists.
Yes, those are racists, but as I pointed out, even with the mention links, racism is much more than that.
 
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Aug 2014
1,079
pakistan
#76
If xenophobia and prejudice lead to discrimination, social or legal, than we have racism.

Azad67, you can have your own definitions, but those are your definitions. As pointed in the quotes that I made from Wikipedia and Merriam Webster, there are definitions that are common, are to us all, se we can have a common language to be able to communicate, so when a person says the word “racism”, the other knows about what we are talking about.



Oh! You are an optimist.



Yes, those are racists, but as I pointed out, even with the mention links, racism is much more than that.
I am curious to know if the word racist is used in medieval English sources, and in what meaning?. I understand what you are saying but you will at-least agree with me that definition of racism is greatly muddled in last few decades. The world is led , influenced and shaped by English-speaking America and whatever comes from that nation, is accepted as 'mainstream'. Notice OP (from America), some people are dismissive about his history, or just simply disagreed with him, and he is shouting 'racism' at the top of his lungs. What has racism any thing to do with it?. If a Muslim say that he/she faces hate and prejudice in America because of his/her religion, there will be mild reactions to it. But Muslims they say that they are facing racism (because of their Muslims background), then alarm bells will ring and they will get due attention. So every one around the world is misusing and over-using the word racism. Just few days ago a Pashtun living in America called me a racist (i am also a Pashtun) after i criticized my people for practicing a certain custom. It has become a great comedy. I refuse to go along with 'mainstream' definition of racism.
 
Nov 2010
7,404
Cornwall
#77
People are over-using the word racism, and very incorrectly. Racist is one who is nationalistic about his race and thinks that all the ethno-linguistic groups of a particular race should act and behave as one nation irrespective of the differences in language, culture and religion. Right now in the world, only White nationalists and Black nationalists are racists, others are not. My quote : "Every racist is a bigot but not every bigot is a racist".
Just as a matter of interest, how would I get on wandering about the countryside of Pakistan on a hiking hliday, popping in here and there for refreshment? Do you think I might be in danger and if so why? Would anyone be racist against a white English speaker or can I just come and go as ai please?
 
Aug 2014
1,079
pakistan
#78
Just as a matter of interest, how would I get on wandering about the countryside of Pakistan on a hiking hliday, popping in here and there for refreshment? Do you think I might be in danger and if so why? Would anyone be racist against a white English speaker or can I just come and go as ai please?
Depend upon where exactly in Pakistan you are wandering. If you get in trouble there, it will have nothing to do with 'racism' but for variety of other reasons. You will be pretty safe and comfortable in hilly Northern areas of Pakistan (Chitral, Gilgat and Baltistan), people there are used to foreign tourists and people there are harmless and peaceful by nature. Northern areas have lowest crime rates in Pakistan. Us Pashtuns behave differently, we do not allow tourism in our regions (whether local tourists or foreign). You can wander in cities and towns of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa but If you want to visit our rural areas, you have to be accompanied by a local escort. Even another Pashtun can not go to another Pashtun village without host from that village. So you can not wander in beautiful valleys of Waziristan, Tirah etc on your own but you can wander in non-Pashtun areas of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa like upper Swat, Hazara etc. Also Pashtun areas are dangerous for foreign tourists due to presence of Taliban elements.

Rural plain areas of Punjab and Sindh provinces of Pakistan are also very open to foreign tourists but they are not safe like Northern areas. Some one might think its good idea to rob an Englishman with dollars in his pockets., worse they can kill you so that they are not caught. If you are a woman then you have to be as careful as you are in India (Punjab has very high cases of rapes like India). In Baluchistan an insurgency is going on, you can not go there.
 
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Aug 2011
107
The Castle Anthrax
#79
Approaching History | Bias

To summarize;
There are two types of bias: intentional and unconscious. Intentional bias is easily recognized and can be justly disregarded. Unconscious bias is the historian's pitfall.
The ideal investigator is someone who wants to find the answer, but does not care what the answer is. Curious but not committed. This may mean that, for some questions in particular, the best historian is someone outside the culture altogether.
I am prone to say that in the case of African history, the study would benefit from African historians. In light of the above, perhaps Africa has been enough of a contested issue in recent past and the present that a fair assessment isn't yet reasonable. It's just too much of an emotional topic for us presently.
 

kandal

Ad Honorem
Aug 2015
2,570
USA
#80
Thats xenophobia and prejudice. Nothing unusual about it, all the humans around the globe have it.

Racism on the other hand, is very limited and confined. Not so many people are subscribed to White nationalism or Black nationalism. For example all the members of Stormfront forum are racist. Or those African-Americans who say 'Us blacks , them whites' , are racists.
I am not sure about this. Most non-black peoples including South Asians in USA harbor dislike of Blacks, but they won't say it public. They don't like one of their family members marrying a black person. Other than that they don't discriminate against blacks. Are they racist?
 

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