When did the concept of countries first come about?

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When did the concept of countries first come about? I had a debate with @Menshevik yesterday about this topic and we were both curious as to when exactly the concept of countries developed. For instance, I know that Philip II of France (ruled 1180 to 1223) was the first French ruler to be styled King of France--which got me wondering as to when exactly territories under the rule of a particular monarch stopped being viewed merely as fiefdoms, appendages, and tributaries and instead began being viewed as independent countries.
 
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Futurist

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I suppose that another way to view this question would be to ask when educated people in various territories began having the view that they live in a particular country as opposed to merely in a particular village, city, town, province, or territory.
 
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When first habitats were built, for example cities, or better yet settlements, which means long time ago, long before Trojan wars.
 

Menshevik

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When first habitats were built, for example cities, or better yet settlements, which means long time ago, long before Trojan wars.
I don't know about that.

When was the first time someone would have identified themselves as being French? English? Greek? Etc.
 

Menshevik

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When did the concept of countries first come about? I had a debate with @Menshevik yesterday about this topic and we were both curious as to when exactly the concept of countries developed. For instance, I know that Philip II of France (ruled 1180 to 1223) was the first French ruler to be styled King of France--which got me wondering as to when exactly territories under the rule of a particular monarch stopped being viewed merely as fiefdoms, appendages, and tributaries and instead began being viewed as independent countries.
And to clarify, would you say we're talking about a "country" as it's defined in the civic nationalistic sense, rather than some other nationalism, i.e ethnic or cultural nationalism?
 
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Menshevik

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For some recent work on a pre-modern ethnic consciousness combined with a territorial state, you might want to look at Anthony Kaldellis' Romanland: Ethnicity and Empire in Byzantium.

Could you give us some bullet points? I don't know when I would be able to get around to getting access to this book.
 
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Do you have any specific examples?
Let's define it first:

Definition of COUNTRY

Let's take two and three:

2 a. the land of a person's birth, residence, or citizenship, their country
b. a political state or nation or its territory

3. the people of a state or district; populace


The definition is basically: land, that is settled for more than a generation, and its populace.