When did the concept of countries first come about?

Menshevik

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Dec 2012
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Let's define it first:

Definition of COUNTRY

Let's take two and three:

2 a. the land of a person's birth, residence, or citizenship, their country
b. a political state or nation or its territory

3. the people of a state or district


The definition is basically: land, that is settled for more than a generation, and it's populace.
So, someone born in Londinium in 568AD would have a frame of reference for all of these concepts you speak of and they would have been able to answer the question in a satisfactory way?

Also, was ancient Rome a country? Was Athens?
 
Jul 2017
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Srpska
So, someone born in Londinium in 568AD would have a frame of reference for all of these concepts you speak of and they would have been able to answer the question in a satisfactory way?
Yes. He would have a settlement around him, land and his neighbors who were also born there and their grandparents. And they would have a way of conducting public life in the settlement.
 

Menshevik

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Dec 2012
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Yes. He would have a settlement around him, land and his neighbors who were also born there and their grandparents. And they would have a way of conducting public life in the settlement.
So, what country was this hypothetical person from? Londinium? He/she would tell you they're from the country of Londinium?
 
Jul 2017
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So, what country was this hypothetical person from? Londinium? He/she would tell you they're from the country of Londinium?
They would have no clue where they were unless you timetraveled to tell them because in 563 BC they were four legged deaf and blind monkeys in Londonium.
 

MG1962a

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Mar 2019
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Kansas
IN 568AD?
Sorry :( I didn't pay attention to the date

In 568 AD no one would be born in the town to ask that question. It was basically an abandoned ruin from around 480 AD for the next 200 hundred years or so. After that you would consider yourself to be living in the kingdom of Essex
 
Jul 2017
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Srpska
Huh? Deaf blind monkeys? What's that got to do with anything?

Here is an example 5500 BC, Vinc Civilization

Archaeological Exhibitions

They had 700 houses in area of 100 hectares, they lived there for 1500 years, they traded, they worked the land.
Yes, they knew who they were, where they were, what it was called, and how to organize society.
It was a civilization, it was a country, a land and its settled population, living in organized manner for many generations, in the same place.


 

Chlodio

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Aug 2016
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If your definition of a country is just 'a piece of territory that is inhabited by the same group of people for more than one generation' then the concept of a country is pre-historic, probably Stone Age.
 
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