- Jun 2014
- Lisbon, Portugal
No, I'm not deflecting anything, look at my original point, please.That is deflecting.. You claimed that there are higher rates of islamist extremism in the west than in Indonesia.. It is simply not true.... The difference is in Indonesia those "extremists" are mainstream...
Among Muslim populations in European countries, which are relatively small, you can see higher rates of radicalization. The subversive and violent ideology of Jihadism is simply more attractive to many young Muslims living in the outskirts of Brussels than they are to stricken poor Indonesian internal migrants living in the shantytowns of Jakarta - that's a very apparent observation that most people, including specialists studying this issue, make.
Until a few years ago we were witnessing to what I will claim a "low-level Islamist insurgency" in countries like France and Belgium, carried out by mostly Muslim nationals with attacks being committed almost every month and right in the respective capitals and other major big cities.
Nothing of that sort took place in Indonesia, besides the extremely localized insurgency in Aceh and the totally failed attempt to create a climate of perpetual mayhem in Bali, in which those Islamists faced a huge blow-back from Indonesian Muslims in general after a few attacks happened on that island.
Indonesia is a country with a huge number of Muslims (the biggest one), which according to your analysis, should be a huge exporter and provider of Jihadist terrorists, but even on that regard, the number of Indonesians joining ISIS or such groups is even lower than Belgian nationals joining those groups.
And that also goes against the classical Marxist argument of economic dispossession being the largest contributor for Islamic radicalization - of course that plays a factor, but as I already stated to other historumite, there's no one-size-fits-all explanation for this.
It's most likely that what drives more Belgian Muslims, on a per capita basis, being more prone to radicalization compared to an Indonesian, is by the fact that a Muslim Belgian is more likely to be educated, with more disposable income and at the same time being more social and culturally isolated and also more likely to suffer from identity crisis - that is a very explosive mix (Benmelech et. al, 2016).
FOX is also mainstream media.And as a separate point, mainstream western media rarely talks about the islamist menace (except for FOX , but is it mainstream? that is another debate) , rather it is focused on presenting Islam as being innocuous and busily selling the iconic islamic veil as a "must" of muslim identity (when it is not talking about how wunderbar ramadan is or the alleged thousands of inventions of "islamic" science)
I'm talking about how Western media cover the news on Muslim-majority countries specifically, what you are referring to is how the media treats Muslim minorities living in Western countries, which on a patronizing way views those Muslim minorities only through the lens of an oppressed minority needed of being helped and lifted from their low status and perceived discrimination.
How Western media covers events in Muslim country is always, and exclusively in a negative light and almost incessantly and unabashedly resorting to very cheap Orientalist tropes.