Which of the enemies that the US fought during the 20th century was the least repulsive?

Which of the enemies that the US fought during the 20th century was the least repulsive?

  • The Central Powers (Germany and Austria-Hungary)

  • The Axis Powers (Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, and some minor Axis countries)

  • North Korea

  • North Vietnam

  • Saddam Hussein's Iraq


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Nemowork

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Jan 2011
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Why were US citizens impressed onto US ships?
Shanghaied is the technical term. Get them drunk, smack them round the head with a lead sap, slip narcotics in their drinks, whatever works for you. they wake up two days out of port with a three month voyage to go and either have the choice of being an unpaying passenger and starving or signing articles with the ship.

San Francisco and New York were famous for it, so no its not an official draft but it is sanctioned because the crimps could be benficial at election time

Shanghaiing - Wikipedia

to be lazy again and quote wiki

First, once an American sailor signed on board a vessel for a voyage, it was illegal for him to leave the ship before the voyage's end. The penalty was imprisonment, the result of federal legislation enacted in 1790.[7] (This factor was mitigated by the Maguire Act of 1895 and the White Act of 1898, and finally abolished by the Seamen's Act of 1915.)

Second, the practice was driven by a shortage of labor, particularly of skilled labor on ships on the West Coast. With crews abandoning ships en masse because of the California Gold Rush, a healthy body on board the ship was a boon.[8][9]

Finally, shanghaiing was made possible by the existence of boarding masters, whose job was to find crews for ships. Boarding masters were paid "by the body," and thus had a strong incentive to place as many seamen on ships as possible.[8] This pay was called "blood money," and was just one of the revenue streams available.[10] These factors set the stage for the crimp: a boarding master who uses trickery, intimidation, or violence to put a sailor on a ship.[11]

The most straightforward method for a crimp to shanghai a sailor was to render him unconscious, forge his signature on the ship's articles, and pick up his "blood money." This approach was widely used, but there were more profitable methods.[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghaiing#cite_note-smith-10
 
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Futurist

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Shanghaied is the technical term. Get them drunk, smack them round the head with a lead sap, slip narcotics in their drinks, whatever works for you. they wake up two days out of port with a three month voyage to go and either have the choice of being an unpaying passenger and starving or signing articles with the ship.

San Francisco and New York were famous for it, so no its not an official draft but it is sanctioned because the crimps could be benficial at election time

Shanghaiing - Wikipedia

to be lazy again and quote wiki

Shanghaiing - Wikipedia
Thanks for this link; I'll make sure to check it out!

BTW, what does "crimps" mean?
 

Nemowork

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Jan 2011
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Not into the Navy, but onto commercial ships.

So, it was perfectly acceptable for the US Navy to simply grab US citizens off of the streets and put them in the US Navy?
No idea, its usually a tool for bending things, so you can crimp wire or crimp hair but 19th century slang can be baffling, for example why is a man who sells stolen goods a fence?

Did you pass stolen goods to a man on the other side of a fence no questions asked?

Maybe since a crimp makes things crooked? no idea!
 
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YouLoveMeYouKnowIt

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Oct 2013
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CP worse than NK?
Yes. NK perhaps is the most impulsive now, but definitely was not the most back then. It was on par with South Korea but was probably less repulsive than South Korea. We also have to look at the motive behind both Korea's actions - for them the war was to unify the country after centuries of servility, domination, and division by foreign powers. The US may consider the UN presence in Korea (entirety) as a police action, but to the North Koreans it was clearly just another case of foreign armies on their peninsula, just like the Chinese, Japanese, Russians, etc...

The CP clearly weren't fighting for the liberation of their homeland, it was over imperialism and they were proud of this and were celebratory when war was declared, just like their Entente counterparts. This makes the North Vietnamese and Koreans the least repulsive - they were fighting for their home, for who they are.
 
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macon

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Aug 2015
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I'd rank these enemies like this from least to most repulsive:

1. The CPs
2. North Vietnam
3. Saddam Hussein's Iraq
4. North Korea
5. The Axis Powers

It was virtually a tie for 4th and 5th place, but ultimately North Korea is slightly less repulsive since, AFAIK, it never actually tried to exterminate an entire ethnic group or race of people.
Pretty much the same, maybe changing 2 and 3. Religious and ideological fanatics are disgusting to me.
 

Lord Fairfax

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Jan 2015
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Which of the enemies that the US fought during the 20th century was the least repulsive?

Personally, I'd have to give my vote to the Central Powers of WWI. While the Ottoman Empire was repulsive as Hell, the US never actually declared war on the Ottoman Empire (or on Bulgaria, for that matter). The CPs that the US did declare war on--Germany and A-H--while certainly having their flaws, were relatively tame in comparison to the US's later enemies. Germany and A-H had their own parliaments (albeit with a lot of gerrymandering), political parties, and relative freedom of the press--something that can't be said for the US's later enemies. Indeed, Germany and A-H were absolute pussycats in comparison to a lot of the US's later enemies.

Axis Powers should be separated.
American opinions on Japan was very different than fighting Italy
 
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