Which of these four European monarchies was most likely to eventually get overthrown in the absence of World War I?

Which of these four European monarchies was most likely to eventually get overthrown in the absence

  • The Hohenzollerns in Germany

  • The Hapsburgs in Austria

  • The Savoyards in Italy

  • The Romanovs in Russia


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Futurist

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#41
I voted Italy since I don't think they had as efficient state police as either Austrians or Russians.

Also I think Nicholas would have been eased into a kind of early retirement around age 60, in the mid '20s. One of the daughter's could have married somebody that might have built a cabinet in waiting around himself. Let the Duma figure out the succession, since Alexei's condition wasn't likely to be a secret through his teens, either.
Do you think that Italy's monarchy would have survived the end of Fascism in Italy in a scenario where WWI still occurs but either there's no WWII at all or there is a WWII but Italy never actually gets involved in it due to there not being a Fall of France in 1940?
 

Futurist

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#42
It was horrible. From the time he appeared in the Romanov’s family, typographers started printing pornographic postcards, with Rasputin and the Tzarina, or Rasputin and the Grand Duchesses.

IRL, Rasputin probably very cunning and knew the line drawn in the sand. He would take the money from rich merchants, and he had enough female followers, be it simple peasants or the Gentry
woman Olga Lakhtina.
Lokhtina.

Tzarina was smart, hysterical and mystical. Hyperreligiosity probably ran in the family as I find her sister Ella very similar, only in a positive way.
Why was Ella positive?

Interesting trait, to make people hate oneself so much. When the Bolsheviks debates, to execute the Romanovs or not, many leaned towards letting the rest of the family go, but executing the Tzarina
Why'd they decide to kill the entire family? To prevent the Whites from using any of them as figureheads to rally support for their cause?
 

arkteia

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Nov 2012
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#43
Either spelling is valid.



-Why was Ella positive?
What about this? Her creation.Marfo-Mariinsky Convent - Wikipedia
She begged for clemency for her husband's murderer. I think she tried to be a good, forgiving, Christian.





Why'd they decide to kill the entire family? To prevent the Whites from using any of them as figureheads to rally support for their cause?
No one really knows what happened with that execution, who made the decision, why it was made. From what I have read, Lenin was against executing the Romanovs, Sverdlov was for it, and eventually, the local Ekaterinburgh's Bolsheviks made the decision. Is it true? Who knows?

However, I do believe that Lenin, the most practical of Bolsheviks, was against it, for a very simple reason.

To execute the Romanovs was easy, but to kill four maidens and a sick boy would be bad publicity. (During the execution, some soldiers refused to shoot the maidens and were replaced).

I think the biggest issue was "what to do with them?" They could not be left in Russia, and no other country was eager to accept them.
 
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arkteia

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#45
Didn't Trotsky later write that Lenin made the final decision to execute them?
I did not read Trotsky's memoir. I actually went by my friend's opinion - he just said that in them, Trotsky came across as a nasty, self-conceited person. And given my feeling towards all Marxists already...I decided that most of it would be a lie, anyhow.
 
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Futurist

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I did not read Trotsky's memoir. I actually went by my friend's opinion - he just said that in them, Trotsky came across as a nasty, self-conceited person. And given my feeling towards all Marxists already...I decided that most of it would be a lie, anyhow.
Why would Trotsky have lied about this specifically, though?
 

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