Which regime was worse: Hitler (Germany) or Franco (Spain)

Which regime was comparatively worse: Hitler or Franco?

  • Hitler

    Votes: 48 92.3%
  • Franco

    Votes: 4 7.7%

  • Total voters
    52

martin76

Ad Honorem
Dec 2014
6,678
Spain
I wouldnt go that far, the Regulares weren't exactly serving out hugs and warm blankets. At least the Falange and Carlists would just execute you on suspicion, the regulares would rape you first. The Spanish civil war was brutal on both sides, with planned atrocities and casual violence but leaders like Queipo De llana did their best ti increase it.

One factor to consider though is that the Nationalists worked out a planned method of disposing of suspected reds.

The Reds killed Nationalists then split in half and spent as much time executing each other so for any Red faction they had twice the number of enemies to execute in a short space of time.
Well, Yes, I go that far because I can (Whites killed 50.000, Reds 75.000)... I think you are confusing the units in the Army of Africa. The Army consisted by:
Legión
Regulares
Tiradores de Ifni
Me-halas (this Men-halas are the famous "moros" that sometimes raped and looting, as the Reds.. by the way)
Mehanías (Also as Me-halas)

Regulares consisted around 29% troops in the Army of Africa

Spanish Civil War as as brutal as the others civil wars.. It is not necessary to talk about la Vendée, Argelian War, Secession War, Russian Civil War, Finnish civil war, Chinese civil war, Cambodja Civil War or Vietnam civil War... In fact, between Spanish Civil War.... it was more brutal the Seven Years War, between Carlistas and Liberals (1833 - 1840) that 1936 - 1939 conflict.

Queipo de Llano was not so brutal.. although for sure he killed lot of reds...but not more than Santiago Carrillo, Agapito or others red killers...and remember, White forces never killed children. The Reds yes.

Capilla Domínguez, Antonio. 08/01/1936. Algodonales
Carrasco Jiménez, Damián. 09/06/1936. Jimena de la Frontera
Carrasco Zurita, Salvador. 09/06/1936. Jimena de la Frontera
Castilla Delgado, José. 07/27/1936. San Roque.
Castilla Delgado, Miguel. 07/27/1936. San Roque.
Castilla García, Augusto. 07/27/1936. San Roque
Chacón Marín, Juan. 09/06/1936. Grazalema
Cuéllar Porcel, Santiago. 07/28/1936. Olvera
Díaz Borrego, Juan. 08/01/1936. Olvera
Fernández Guzmán, Francisco. 08/24/1936. Setenil.

All of them from the list of people murdered by Checas in province of Cadis... one of the province was liberated sooner.
 

martin76

Ad Honorem
Dec 2014
6,678
Spain
Mr Martin,the 3000 "golpistas" slaughtered during the fight of the "quarter of the Montana" (19,20,21 july 1936) were exterminated by the Madrid s people,like the soldiers of Napoleon the 2 de mayo.What was the power real of the three régiments of infantry of Madrid,Wad Ras,Leon,,Covadonga ? Nothing.The soldiers of the "casas de reclutamiento" (Maria Cristina,Saboya,Conde Duque) did nothing.And in "La Montana" Fanjuls and his 3000 volunteers -all killed-were treated like Garcia de la Herran and his soldiers in Campamento-Carabanchel,trahison of their government (pena de muerte del code penal militar).
Not 3.000 at all.. not even 300. And it was not the "Madrid people".. but the militamen from PSOE, PCE, CNT, FAI, UGT etc etc... not people at all.
 
May 2017
1,191
France
Mr Martin,you have forgotten in the army of Africa the 8 "batallions of cazadores":Serinolla,Las Navas etc...
The 300 is the number of Campamento-Carabanchel with the general Garcia de la Herran,defeated by the colonel Mangada.The students of Madrid,with their young leader Manuel Taguena,have participated to this popular victory.The units of artillery and the aviation (Cuatro Vientos,Getafe) had passed in the republican side.
The 3000 is the number of La Montana with the general Fanjuls.The guns Mauser model 98 were recuperated in the quarter by hundreds spanish patriots organized after in "milices".The defeat of Fanjuls was provokated by the defection of the tankists (FT 17) of Retamares.The "golpist" victims were militaries,members of FET-JONS,students of the Alcazar,members of AP,and some priests of the Madrid s basilic.
 

martin76

Ad Honorem
Dec 2014
6,678
Spain
Mr Martin,you have forgotten in the army of Africa the 8 "batallions of cazadores":Serinolla,Las Navas etc...
The 300 is the number of Campamento-Carabanchel with the general Garcia de la Herran,defeated by the colonel Mangada.The students of Madrid,with their young leader Manuel Taguena,have participated to this popular victory.The units of artillery and the aviation (Cuatro Vientos,Getafe) had passed in the republican side.
The 3000 is the number of La Montana with the general Fanjuls.The guns Mauser model 98 were recuperated in the quarter by hundreds spanish patriots organized after in "milices".The defeat of Fanjuls was provokated by the defection of the tankists (FT 17) of Retamares.The "golpist" victims were militaries,members of FET-JONS,students of the Alcazar,members of AP,and some priests of the Madrid s basilic.
I do not forget. I was talking about moroccian or colonial units.. not about Peninsular units in the Army of Africa. Again. not 3.000.. not even 400. The attack was done by communist, socialist, anarchist.. nothing matched with patriotism.

This is the kind of scum you name "patriots"



The same scum today... "Spanish" left is fanatical, sectarian and terribly ignorant.



The 2019 scum is similar to 1936 scum.
 
May 2017
1,191
France
Mr Martin,you know very much that the flag with the red star is the flag of the maoists and the nostalgics of the GRAPO,not the eurocomunist party of Carillo,the PCE.Lister created another party,the PCOE.The members of the CNT and FAI never were stalinists,and the same for Largo Caballero,social democrat of left tendance.
 

martin76

Ad Honorem
Dec 2014
6,678
Spain
Mr Martin,you know very much that the flag with the red star is the flag of the maoists and the nostalgics of the GRAPO,not the eurocomunist party of Carillo,the PCE.Lister created another party,the PCOE.The members of the CNT and FAI never were stalinists,and the same for Largo Caballero,social democrat of left tendance.
Largo Caballero was a Leninist Marxist... and PSOE and PCE were controlled by the Stalinist...CNT/FAI you are right... not communist but anarchist...

This was RED Spain... nothing matched to any European burgeois democracy or one Democracy as USA... it was the Revolution or the Counter-Revolution... fortunately.. in Spain.... Whites won the war... This was not Russia!!



The Spanish Ministery of Public Education:



Spanish Republic´s stamps:



WSe can see iconography: Stalin-Lenin, CCCP.... but in Spain....Who says here the Republic was a democracy?
 
Oct 2013
1,329
Monza, Italy
So you believe in social utopia, just not a Fascist one?
No. And I don't think Fascism is an utopia, it deals more with real-politik and a machiavellian way of seeing things (think about Carl Schmitt), so it's even more serious than any utopia. Sorry for the OT.
 
Dec 2018
113
North Dublin
No. And I don't think Fascism is an utopia, it deals more with real-politik and a machiavellian way of seeing things (think about Carl Schmitt), so it's even more serious than any utopia. Sorry for the OT.
But you believe in social solutions, which any genuine artist also does. Your very own Dante's verse was not just Romantic art, it was a piece of theology which sought to improve Europe.
 
Oct 2013
1,329
Monza, Italy
But you believe in social solutions, which any genuine artist also does. Your very own Dante's verse was not just Romantic art, it was a piece of theology which sought to improve Europe.
Some social solutions are necessary I think.