Which regime was worse: Hitler (Germany) or Franco (Spain)

Which regime was comparatively worse: Hitler or Franco?

  • Hitler

    Votes: 48 92.3%
  • Franco

    Votes: 4 7.7%

  • Total voters
    52
May 2017
1,155
France
Mr Martin, you know very much that the father of the spanish s socialism is Pablo Iglesias Posse,granfather of the eurocomunism which had three figures:the socialism paella of Carillo (ex JSU) the socialism cassoulet of Marchais and the socialism pizza of Berlinguer.Those men have nothing common with Robespierre,Marat,Lenine ,Staline or Pol Pot....
And for the CNT,you know very much that it was an enormous confederation of 982 syndicates which must not be assimilated to the little FAI and its pistoleros.
 

martin76

Ad Honorem
Dec 2014
6,643
Spain
Mr Martin, you know very much that the father of the spanish s socialism is Pablo Iglesias Posse,granfather of the eurocomunism which had three figures:the socialism paella of Carillo (ex JSU) the socialism cassoulet of Marchais and the socialism pizza of Berlinguer.Those men have nothing common with Robespierre,Marat,Lenine ,Staline or Pol Pot....
And for the CNT,you know very much that it was an enormous confederation of 982 syndicates which must not be assimilated to the little FAI and its pistoleros.
Pablo Iglesias have nothing to do with Eurocomunism.... he was a Marxist... and he defended the terrorism and the stablishment of the dictatorship of proleariat. As he said on Parlament (session May 5th, 1910: We accept the legality only if legality is useful to us.. and we were out of legality.. when legality is not useful to us.

We want to exterminate the Chuch... to make the clergy disappear ... that there is nothing remember them... (6th PSOE Congress, Gijón)

We defend universal suffrage for being an excellent means of agitation and propaganda for our ideas, but we deny the virtue of power by itself to emancipate the proletarian class. (it was written by Pablo Iglesias on the PSOE program, year 1910).

We are ready for everything for the liberation of the proletariat ... we will not defend ourselves ... we will attack ... we will kill and we will die ... but we will win. (Pablo Iglesias written on El Socialista, official PSOE´s newspaper, on October 17th, 1923)...


Pablo Iglesias was never a father or grandfather of any Euro-comunism.. he was an ortodoxian Marxist... absolutly rapt by the Lenin´s victory in Russia.. he wanted to use the same method to arrive the same goal...

García Bocanegra, Francisco. Killed 08/24/1936. Setenil
Guerrero Guerremo , Manuel. Killed 08/29/1936. Grazalema
Gutiérrez López, Juan. Killed 08/24/1936. Setenil
Guzmán Carrasco, Sebastián. Killed 08/24/1936. Setenil
Guzmán Carrasco, Andrés. Killed 08/24/1936. Setenil
Guzmán Zamudio, Francisco. Killed 08/24/1936. Setenil
Guzmán Zamudio, José. Killed 08/24/1936. Setenil
Guzmán Zamudio, Nicolás. Killed 08/24/1936. Setenil
Guzmán Zamudio, Pedro. Killed 08/24/1936. Setenil
Holgado González, Manuel. Killed 07/24/1936

regards
 
May 2017
1,155
France
But Mr Martin,you know very much that the first big agression against the spanish clergy was commited by the soldiers of Napoleon (1807-1813):
In Spain,the end of the sacrated has begun when the french officers have autorized their soldiers to exhumate the cadavers of the spanish aristocrats and priests-i have studied the provinces of Leon (parador San Marcos) y Guadalajara (iglesia principal) in the purpose to show to the spanish farmers that their masters were under the ground,like eveybody ,and not in the sky.The french soldiers were happy to do this dirty job,the profanations,because the officers said to them :"search,search,and you will find and keep the jewels,rings etc...of the death.Unfortunatly,the reaction of the population was more and more hostil against the french,excepted in somle towns:"Cogolludo la francesa",where two spanish ancesters of my family,Rafael Retuerta y Juan Terrero,engaged in the "Regimiento Jose Napoleon":they died in Holland and Germany in 1813.All along the story of Spain,the members of the clergy were too numerous,and in 1936,a lot of people considered that they were the parasits of the society.In our village,Balconete,three churches for 200 habitants,and the principal monument,"el picote del inquisidor Crespo"......
 

martin76

Ad Honorem
Dec 2014
6,643
Spain
But Mr Martin,you know very much that the first big agression against the spanish clergy was commited by the soldiers of Napoleon (1807-1813):
In Spain,the end of the sacrated has begun when the french officers have autorized their soldiers to exhumate the cadavers of the spanish aristocrats and priests-i have studied the provinces of Leon (parador San Marcos) y Guadalajara (iglesia principal) in the purpose to show to the spanish farmers that their masters were under the ground,like eveybody ,and not in the sky.The french soldiers were happy to do this dirty job,the profanations,because the officers said to them :"search,search,and you will find and keep the jewels,rings etc...of the death.Unfortunatly,the reaction of the population was more and more hostil against the french,excepted in somle towns:"Cogolludo la francesa",where two spanish ancesters of my family,Rafael Retuerta y Juan Terrero,engaged in the "Regimiento Jose Napoleon":they died in Holland and Germany in 1813.All along the story of Spain,the members of the clergy were too numerous,and in 1936,a lot of people considered that they were the parasits of the society.In our village,Balconete,three churches for 200 habitants,and the principal monument,"el picote del inquisidor Crespo"......
Only the Reds thought the Clergy was a "parasits".. not the Spanish people.... but a part of Spanish people...
 
Oct 2013
1,317
Monza, Italy
It depends; I would say that many important historical social solutions were: worker's right to strike, national healthcare system, free-enterprise, right to school, separation of Church and State, separation of powers, minimum wage, more or less these are the kinds of thing which make society work, don't forget also the state owning some strategic sectors and progressive taxation.
 

johnincornwall

Ad Honorem
Nov 2010
7,676
Cornwall
It depends; I would say that many important historical social solutions were: worker's right to strike, national healthcare system, free-enterprise, right to school, separation of Church and State, separation of powers, minimum wage, more or less these are the kinds of thing which make society work, don't forget also the state owning some strategic sectors and progressive taxation.
I don't think that sits with the radical politics of the 30s to be honest. Though of course the Anarchist government of Catalonia did introduce a reduction in the maximum working week which crippled any war production for nearly a year in the early part of the civil war, before they worked out it was a bad idea
 
Dec 2018
113
North Dublin
It depends; I would say that many important historical social solutions were: worker's right to strike, national healthcare system, free-enterprise, right to school, separation of Church and State, separation of powers, minimum wage, more or less these are the kinds of thing which make society work, don't forget also the state owning some strategic sectors and progressive taxation.
What about Georgist economics?
 
May 2017
1,155
France
Mr Martin,you know very much what was the mission of the clergy during the dangerous years preceding the war (1931-1936).As the enormous majority of the spanish people were catholics,and in conformity with the "canon law",the system of the confession permited to the priests to know everything about the political ambiance and to give to the police,and particularly to the "guardia de asalto",an enormous quantity of indications and informations, which were utilized for the inquiries against the syndicalists and the revolutionars.It was very easy for those clever men to promise to old women analfabets a five stars room in the hotel of the paradise,if they accepted to speak and to identify anybody behind a curtain.The problem is that if in 1934 during the revolution of the Asturies,the guardia civil and the guardia de asalto were for the repression of the manifestations in all Spain,in 1936, a lot of them were for the republic,and in the purpose to have no problems with the UHP formations,denonciated all the system.The CECAS have utilized the official documents of the offices of the intendance of the police to eliminate the Phalange and its allies (clergy,caciques etc...).
My family has interviewed the sergeant of the guardia civil Don Venancio,living in Pericles street,the guardia de asalto Joaquin Garcia refugied in Àles….etc.An uncle of my mother,wounded in the fight of Boadilla del Monte passed from the companies of fight to the territorial sections in april 1937.He told me how the same men who served the republic passed in the Franco s police in june 1939.As the republicans going to be fusilied made to much noise,shouting "Abajo el fascismo ! Viva la Revolucion ! etc...". the section of my parent has been charged to recuperate in the toys s shops the biggest quantity possible of little balls for children.Under the look of the priests,insulted by the political convicts, the balls were put in the mouth of the condamned with a scotch. And after they were lead to the Casa de Campo and Mirasierra for what you imagine.
 

martin76

Ad Honorem
Dec 2014
6,643
Spain
Both sides committed atrocities, we all know that. Pointless the 'more atrocities than them' arguments

Yes, both sides (as in each civil war... from one of the many English Civil Wars... till Syrian Civil War.. for being the last)... Spanish one was not different at all.
But if both sides commited atrocities...not both sides begun atrocities, terrorism, killings... nor bot sides killed the same number...

Republic was proclaimed by itself in a Town Hall (Eibar) on April 14th, 1931.. only thirty days later.... on May 15th... the Reds begun burning churches, archives, schools, libraries etc etc...

A school on fire.. only 30 days... or if you prefer, dear John.. only 720 hours later Republic proclaimed by itself....





Yes... Republic has been the most criminal system of government in Spain... Fortunately...it was crushed.. in 1939....and it is never going to back...Never.