Which regime was worse: Hitler (Germany) or Franco (Spain)

Which regime was comparatively worse: Hitler or Franco?

  • Hitler

    Votes: 48 92.3%
  • Franco

    Votes: 4 7.7%

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Dec 2018
113
North Dublin
That is easy... Franco was not a fascist but an anticomunist.... so yes, he manipulated Falange and National - syndicalism.... and what?
Hitler also betrayed the evolution of National-Syndicalism which he espoused in early days, which found its solidification in the person of Ernst Roehm and in the paramilitary division known as the Sturm Abteilung, which later became regular soldiers of the Wehrmacht. I am saying that in the context of this, both systems were bogus, but that Hitler's system was preferable, because, while still class-based, was based on an anti-ClassIST paradigm, unlike the Christendom which Franco brought in to place, which was, and Christendom still is, Classist. Hitler never removed the notion of Volksgemeinschaft from the German psyche, which was invented during the first world war, and gave Germany a decidedly anti-classist flavour, unlike the gentility of Spain and England. In this sense, there was never an air of bourgeois or aristocratic stuffiness, but rather a system in which the various racial citizens worked together toward the betterment of society. If nothing else, this is much more conducive to its success, as well as dashing any chances of counter-NS organisational activity.
 
Apr 2018
979
Upland, Sweden
Hitler also betrayed the evolution of National-Syndicalism which he espoused in early days, which found its solidification in the person of Ernst Roehm and in the paramilitary division known as the Sturm Abteilung, which later became regular soldiers of the Wehrmacht. I am saying that in the context of this, both systems were bogus, but that Hitler's system was preferable, because, while still class-based, was based on an anti-ClassIST paradigm, unlike the Christendom which Franco brought in to place, which was, and Christendom still is, Classist. Hitler never removed the notion of Volksgemeinschaft from the German psyche, which was invented during the first world war, and gave Germany a decidedly anti-classist flavour, unlike the gentility of Spain and England. In this sense, there was never an air of bourgeois or aristocratic stuffiness, but rather a system in which the various racial citizens worked together toward the betterment of society. If nothing else, this is much more conducive to its success, as well as dashing any chances of counter-NS organisational activity.
I take it you are a "National-Syndicalist" whatever that means? Interesting. I've never heard of one before.

People have so cute ideas...
 
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Linschoten

Ad Honoris
Aug 2010
16,214
Welsh Marches
I'm afraid that I'm sufficiently bourgeois to belive in bourgeois reason (and bourgeois morality); and there is something wonderfully comical in the idea of Nazi Germany being a society " in which the various racial citizens worked together toward the betterment of society"!
 
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Dec 2018
113
North Dublin
I'm afraid that I'm sufficiently bourgeois to belive in bourgeois reason (and bourgeois morality); and there is something wonderfully comical in the idea of Nazi Germany being a society " in which the various racial citizens worked together toward the betterment of society"!
The idea of Volksgemeinschaft still defends the interests of the bourgeoisie, but only within the context of a system which venerates the worker as an important element of society. The betterment of society is defined by those bourgeois folk who organise the logistics of any given fiat, and those who practice it by the fiat of those bourgeois folk, namely the workers, unless you are referring to a system of Marxian Socialism or anarchy. Hitler had his own form of "Socialism", though, non-Marxian, which existed already in the great war, and which is everywhere known as, as already mentioned, Volksgemeinschaft.
 
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Hitler also betrayed the evolution of National-Syndicalism which he espoused in early days, which found its solidification in the person of Ernst Roehm and in the paramilitary division known as the Sturm Abteilung, which later became regular soldiers of the Wehrmacht. I am saying that in the context of this, both systems were bogus, but that Hitler's system was preferable, because, while still class-based, was based on an anti-ClassIST paradigm, unlike the Christendom which Franco brought in to place, which was, and Christendom still is, Classist. Hitler never removed the notion of Volksgemeinschaft from the German psyche, which was invented during the first world war, and gave Germany a decidedly anti-classist flavour, unlike the gentility of Spain and England. In this sense, there was never an air of bourgeois or aristocratic stuffiness, but rather a system in which the various racial citizens worked together toward the betterment of society. If nothing else, this is much more conducive to its success, as well as dashing any chances of counter-NS organisational activity.
What is a "racial citizen"?
 

martin76

Ad Honorem
Dec 2014
6,719
Spain
Franco allegedly supported Real Madrid to win some European Cups, so he gets bonus points in my eyes.
No, he didn´t. Real Madrid won because Don Santiago Bernabeu made the best team on Earth and in history.

In fact, Franco supported ATHLETIC BILBAO... because it was pure Spanish team.. 100% Spaniards, 100% basque (the noblest, the oldest the purest Spaniards as it was written in 16th Century). That ´s the reason because Pelota Vasca was widely supported by the State between 1940 and 1980.

Franco didn´t like Real Madrid because Madrid was his nightmare during the War and most people supported Real Madrid were Reds had lost the war. Funny, Real Madrid didn´t win La Liga between 1939 to 1954.. during the thoughest days... but yes AT. Bilbao and FC Barcelona.

During the thougher days after War... not victory at all for Real Madrid

La Liga between 1939 to 1954 was won by AT. Bilbao (1), FC Barcelona (5), AT. Madrid (4), Sevilla (1) and Valencia (3). Real Madrid not victory at all during the hardest moment in Francoist Regimen... So.. No.. FRANCO NEVER supported Real Madrid.

By the way...during Francoist regiment existed regional selection teams as Catalonia, Castille, Aragon etc.