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Kevinmeath

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May 2011
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Navan, Ireland
One of the leading causes of the war of 1912 was the impressment of sailors from US naval vessels. These sailors were enslaved for a period 12 years and forced to serve on British naval vessels never being allowed to leave the ship for fear they would try to escape and never being paid for their service.
There are several inaccuracies here, not just the date.

The British had no right to impress US citizens but they could impress British/Irish subjects anywhere. Now Americans could be taken by 'mistake' and it would take a long time to correct the error. Americans could also volunteer if they wished and the British had the right to retake them if they subsequently deserted.

Of course proving who was and wasn't not an American citizen was problematic in the period.

Also they were not slaves because slaves are not paid for their service they were subject to district naval discipline however this was ,on the whole there were certainly exceptions, fairly implemented. Slaves masters were not restricted by the articles of war on how they treated their slaves as ships officers were on how they treated their crews and could be removed if they broke them.

In fact African American slaves ran to the Royal Navy because upon standing on an RN ship they immediately became free - and were encouraged to join the crew. Few African -Americans ran from RN service-- being paid and subject to fair discipline was a great change in life.
 

Nemowork

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Jan 2011
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South of the barcodes
It's the War of 1812, not the War of 1912. The stated reason for the war was the impressment of sailors from US Naval Vessels. The real reason for the war was an excuse to annex more land from other European countries.
Plus the US reckoned they had a right to trade freely with everyone and got a bit irked when the French impounded their ships for trading with the British in a time of war and the British impounded their ships...etc!

Add the start of the anti-slavery patrols also picking up US vessels and the idea that Canadians were yearning for the free democratic air of liberty, there was going to be a big profit in land after an invasion and the British army was distracted in europe and it seemed too good a chance to miss!

And then they did!
 

betgo

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Jul 2011
6,328
Add the start of the anti-slavery patrols also picking up US vessels and the idea that Canadians were yearning for the free democratic air of liberty, there was going to be a big profit in land after an invasion and the British army was distracted in europe and it seemed too good a chance to miss!

And then they did!
The US and Britain both banned the slave trade in 1809. Was Britain stopping slave ships in 1812 at a difficult point in the Napoleonic Wars? There were no legal US ships involved in the slave trade. Is there any evidence for that claim you make?

I assume you mean profit to politicians from distributing Canadian lands.This is possible, but seems like speculation. Has anyone in print made this claim?
 

Kevinmeath

Ad Honoris
May 2011
14,020
Navan, Ireland
The US and Britain both banned the slave trade in 1809. Was Britain stopping slave ships in 1812 at a difficult point in the Napoleonic Wars? There were no legal US ships involved in the slave trade. Is there any evidence for that claim you make?

I assume you mean profit to politicians from distributing Canadian lands.This is possible, but seems like speculation. Has anyone in print made this claim?
Sian Rees in her book



points out that while the USA officially banned the slave trade in 1807 they did little to enforce this ban and remained one of the mail slaving nations for a long time.
Also 'American' ships were often only that on paper (that were freely sold) as to avail American protection.
 

betgo

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Jul 2011
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Sian Rees in her book

points out that while the USA officially banned the slave trade in 1807 they did little to enforce this ban and remained one of the mail slaving nations for a long time.
Also 'American' ships were often only that on paper (that were freely sold) as to avail American protection.
Right, there was a huge illegal slave trade up until the Civil War. Most of the slaves were landed in Louisiana and later Texas, far from Washington, where they got the highest price and which were more corrupt having been French and/or Spanish territory. The slave population of the US increased by a factor of 4 between 1810 and 1850 and much of that was probably importation.

However, I am not sure what the British were doing to stop slave ships right away and that that played a role in causing the War of 1812.
 
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One of the Articles of the Treaty of Ghent in 1814 was the US and England both agreed to work to end the slave trade.
 
Aug 2018
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Southern Indiana
There are several inaccuracies here, not just the date.

The British had no right to impress US citizens but they could impress British/Irish subjects anywhere. Now Americans could be taken by 'mistake' and it would take a long time to correct the error. Americans could also volunteer if they wished and the British had the right to retake them if they subsequently deserted.

Of course proving who was and wasn't not an American citizen was problematic in the period.

Also they were not slaves because slaves are not paid for their service they were subject to district naval discipline however this was ,on the whole there were certainly exceptions, fairly implemented. Slaves masters were not restricted by the articles of war on how they treated their slaves as ships officers were on how they treated their crews and could be removed if they broke them.

In fact African American slaves ran to the Royal Navy because upon standing on an RN ship they immediately became free - and were encouraged to join the crew. Few African -Americans ran from RN service-- being paid and subject to fair discipline was a great change in life.
Of the 21,000 sailors impressed into service, nearly 10,000 were Americans. They impressed men were not paid.,this was one of the points argued at Ghent, but compensation never made it into the final Treaty.
 

LatinoEuropa

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Oct 2015
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Matosinhos Portugal
The last Portuguese slave died in Lisbon in the 1930s

Portugal had long been a republic when the last slave of the empire died in Lisbon. It was in the 30's of last century. Newspapers at the time said they would be 120 years old. He was well known in Bairro Alto, where he sold peanuts. She had been a slave until 1869, when the decree abolishing slavery was published throughout the Portuguese territory

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Slavery never had color, it was never racist, slavocrats accepted as slaves any ethnicity.

Since the earliest times there have been slaves, human slavery has never had color prejudice.
The slavery practiced by humans since antiquity was never racist, any race was to be enslaved.
 

Kevinmeath

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May 2011
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Navan, Ireland
Of the 21,000 sailors impressed into service, nearly 10,000 were Americans. They impressed men were not paid.,this was one of the points argued at Ghent, but compensation never made it into the final Treaty.
I suspect a lot more than 21,000 were impressed-- it would be impossible to tell how many since many would bow to the inevitable and 'volunteer' in order to receive their bounty or sign on bonus.

What's your source for impressed men were not paid? they ere signed onto the books of the ship and thus paid, no distinction made for nationality or race.

Anyway 'Americans' could not be legally taken so they could not be singled out, they could volunteer.

So they are paid and subject to a ,generally, fair legal system that's not slavery.
 
Aug 2018
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Southern Indiana
I suspect a lot more than 21,000 were impressed-- it would be impossible to tell how many since many would bow to the inevitable and 'volunteer' in order to receive their bounty or sign on bonus.

What's your source for impressed men were not paid? they ere signed onto the books of the ship and thus paid, no distinction made for nationality or race.

Anyway 'Americans' could not be legally taken so they could not be singled out, they could volunteer.

So they are paid and subject to a ,generally, fair legal system that's not slavery.

I'm currently reading a book by Mary Stockwell. She talks a lot about the Treaty of Ghent and the points discussed between the delegations. What's your source for impressed men being paid?