Who did most to defeat the Axis? Britain, the US or the USSR?

Who did most to defeat the Axis?

  • The British Empire

    Votes: 10 13.7%
  • The US

    Votes: 9 12.3%
  • The USSR

    Votes: 52 71.2%
  • Other (China?)

    Votes: 2 2.7%

  • Total voters
    73

redcoat

Ad Honorem
Nov 2010
7,559
Stockport Cheshire UK
The UK providing a base for liberating Europe is the UK's only inherently necessary contribution. The rest is just stuff you are attributing to the UK. The tide was not turning when others got involved, please do tell what happens if Hitler decides for some reason to never attack the USSR nor declare war on the USA after Pearl Harbor? What's the UK's path to victory besides preventing invasion of their own country?
The overwhelming contribution of the UK that everyone forgets about is the continued economic naval blockade of Germany and the occupied territories after June 1940.
This, along with Germany’s inability to invade the UK, was a major factor in Germany’s decision to attack the Soviet Union in 1941 as Germany’ faced an oil crisis ( even with Soviet imports )unless it got hold of a major source of oil outside of its territories, and the resulting oil shortage after the invasion as the German’s used up thieir stockpiles was a major reason the invasion failed.
Britain’s continued resistance meant that the invasion of the SU wasn’t just something Hitler wanted to do, he needed to do it as well.
 
Sep 2016
798
Georgia
But in the end in hundred or more years in the future we will be able to objectively talk about that without patriotism of each side. Discuss roman wars without personal or political involvement.
Oh no my friend. Even there you have biased fans. Read some threads about Hannibal or Roman Legions vs Macedonian Phalanx. Someone like Delbruck was heavily biased towards Germanic tribes and praising non-stop how they stopped Roman empire and it's evidence of martial superiority.

In discussions of Alexander's campaign in India, there often will be Indians or fans of Indian history who will try to bring him down as much as possible or call Battle of Hydaspes - victory of Porus. There are a lot of fans of Ancient Greece or some Greeks themselves, who are biased when it comes to Greco-Persian wars and etc.
 
The overwhelming contribution of the UK that everyone forgets about is the continued economic naval blockade of Germany and the occupied territories after June 1940.
This, along with Germany’s inability to invade the UK, was a major factor in Germany’s decision to attack the Soviet Union in 1941 as Germany’ faced an oil crisis ( even with Soviet imports )unless it got hold of a major source of oil outside of its territories, and the resulting oil shortage after the invasion as the German’s used up thieir stockpiles was a major reason the invasion failed.
Britain’s continued resistance meant that the invasion of the SU wasn’t just something Hitler wanted to do, he needed to do it as well.
This is almost as much specious nonsense as the Conventional Wisdom on WW1. The plain fact is England got run off the Continent and the sole reason Germany didn't invade is the Luftwaffe shot the works on quick tactical victories. Blitzkrieg didn't work out too well with aircraft designed for close air support when they needed to "commute" to war. And chaining fighter escort to the bomber formations. Wasn't uncommon for Luftwaffe aircraft to have to ditch due to fuel loss.

Compare that to the 8th Air Force's release of fighter escort to clear the way to the target and back. And find targets of opportunity after the fighters were taken care of.

German industry wasn't starved out by England. It was bombed to rubble by the B24s and B17s of The Mighty Eighth, the 8th United States Army Air Force.

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GogLais

Ad Honorem
Sep 2013
4,873
Wirral
This is almost as much specious nonsense as the Conventional Wisdom on WW1. The plain fact is England got run off the Continent and the sole reason Germany didn't invade is the Luftwaffe shot the works on quick tactical victories. Blitzkrieg didn't work out too well with aircraft designed for close air support when they needed to "commute" to war. And chaining fighter escort to the bomber formations. Wasn't uncommon for Luftwaffe aircraft to have to ditch due to fuel loss.

Compare that to the 8th Air Force's release of fighter escort to clear the way to the target and back. And find targets of opportunity after the fighters were taken care of.

German industry wasn't starved out by England. It was bombed to rubble by the B24s and B17s of The Mighty Eighth, the 8th United States Army Air Force.

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Typical of the one-eyed style of argument apparent in this thread. Redcoat makes a valid point about the naval blockade and your response is just to dismiss it as specious nonsense.
 
Jul 2016
242
Just outside the Rust Belt
I'ma be a rebel and say the Axis did the most to defeat themselves. By declaring war without a steady and secure supply of enough oil, their war machines couldn't go on forever.

Military Expenditures, Strategic Raw Materials, Oil Production (Couldn't rip the table, its down there but its there :D)

The Axis powers produced ~66 metric tons of oil from 1939-1945.

The British Empire alone, produced 90.8.

I know it is not radical to say "The Nazis were bad!" but the demands they made of Germany were simply not achievable. The same with Japan trying to conquer China and one only needs to look at the rout of the Italians. The combined power of the Axis (-with- Japan) is 2/3rds the Oil production of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union had ~160-170 Million people. Germany? 70 Million,. Italy 56 Million. Romania: 15 million. Assuming that somehow the extra 70 million Japanese Empire untangles itself from China (which started in 1937) only then would in -raw- population would the Axis outnumber the Soviets.

That is not to say that the Germans and Axis powers were not ruthless fighters, one merely has to look at the dead they suffered and dead they made to know that is not the case. But the Axis powers against the Soviet Union -alone- is a questionable chance. The British Empire, if it was willing to truly break the Empire might have been up to the task, not to mention the US itself.

The decision to go to war at all, lost the Axis powers the war. Not to diminish the fighting spirit of the generals, or the sacrifice of the men who fought to topple evil totalitarian governments but Fascism seeking to export itself against the world was always going to lose a war against the world.

If I had to vote for a Ally power, I'd vote America but I'm more then comfortable with what another poster say that Germany was defeated by the Soviets, Japan by the USA, and Italy by the British.
 

sparky

Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
3,567
Sydney
Wars are complex
while bomber command was not very efficient in the early part of the war , it still forced Germany to invest resources in air defense
as far as actual combat , the British did not shine , their main contribution was to still be there no matter how much punishment they go
however it was pretty clear that on their own , they would never succeed in invading continental Europe
Norway , France , Greece Dieppe were pretty compelling proof

the Germans never had any doubt who was their most dangerous enemy , that was the Soviets
 
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Sep 2014
756
Texas
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1547645527556.png Gentlemen, I want to throw something in the mix. The convoys and passenger lines that carried troops and supplies to England were manned by the bravest men on the seas. Without them the U boats would have starved England into submission. They were British, American and Canadians.

1547645700802.png From Russia. Thousands of ponies carried supplies to the front lines. Some of those supplies came from America and Canada.
 
Went with The US. Without US backing both GB and the USSR are not moving. The USN ended up dominating the seas as they shipped vital supplies to USSR and GB. In Europe the Soviets were the most engaged in combat but US and GB air power weakend the German war making machine. As far as the Asian theater is concerned the US was major player followed by Australians (GB), China and the USSR