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arkteia

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Nov 2012
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Seattle
Bellingcat claim they've ID'd the bearded guy as Colonel Anatoly Chepiga. The righmost two photos are 'Ruslan Boshirov'. The leftmost is what Bellingcat claim to have found in Anatoly Chepiga's passport file:



What amuses me most about this all is this link. This is the website of the military academy where Anatoly Chepiga studied. Here, they proudly list all their graduates who have won the medal 'Hero of the Soviet Union' and 'Hero of the Russian Federation'. Don't worry if you don't read Russian - you don't need to. Just look at the length of the description of the deeds for which each graduate received their medal, and then look at the description for the last two names at the bottom - Alexander Popov and Anatoly Chepiga.

Must be strange to have a medal for honourable service but not being able to tell anyone what you did to get it.
They don't look similar
 
Sep 2012
905
Prague, Czech Republic
1. Not military but INFANTRY academy. As I suppose, the academy for spies must somewhere else.
2. Most important thing is not who were Ruslan Boshirov, but who poisoned Scripals. That are two different questions.
You seem to be losing the plot a little bit. An infantry academt would be a military academy, but the one we're discussing is the Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms Command School. Antoly Chepiga graduated from there, went on join the GRU and received the Hero of the Russian Federation medal for something that appears to be classified. This much doesn't seem to be disputable.

'Who is Ruslan Boshirov' and 'who poisoned the Skripals' are indeed separate questions. However, Ruslan Boshirov was in Salisbury near the Skripals house on the day the Skripals were poisioned, and we're talking about him looking at since his behaviour on that seems a bit suspicious. If he is in fact a colonel in the GRU I'd say that's a relevant factor in the mystery.
 
Sep 2012
905
Prague, Czech Republic
They don't look similar
I guess that's a matter of opinion, but they do to me. From my perspective the least similar of the three is the colour photo; but I think that's just because of the colour and the beard. To be clear, the colour photo is the same guy as the middle photo. It's the younger guy on the left which is being presented as the GRU colonel who looks similar to the other two.
 

Maribat

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Mar 2012
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There are special software online that compare two faces and tells if they do look similar.

Let's number the three consecutive images as 1, 2 and 3

Определить похожеcть двух картинок в процентах % онлайн - IMG online

1 vs 2 – 78,4%
1 vs 3 – 59,9&
2 vs 3 – 53,3&

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1 vs 2 Is same person: Probability very high.
1 vs 3 Is same person: Probability very high.
2 vs 3 Is same person: Probability very high.
 
Jun 2016
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Russia
You seem to be losing the plot a little bit. An infantry academt would be a military academy, but the one we're discussing is the Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms Command School. Antoly Chepiga graduated from there, went on join the GRU and received the Hero of the Russian Federation medal for something that appears to be classified. This much doesn't seem to be disputable.

'Who is Ruslan Boshirov' and 'who poisoned the Skripals' are indeed separate questions. However, Ruslan Boshirov was in Salisbury near the Skripals house on the day the Skripals were poisioned, and we're talking about him looking at since his behaviour on that seems a bit suspicious. If he is in fact a colonel in the GRU I'd say that's a relevant factor in the mystery.
1. Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms Command school is the school of commanders of infantry. That means there come captains and mayors to be taught to become colonels to command regiment or more. Or as alternative to serve at General Staff.
2. GRU doesn't exist any more.
3. The commander of regiment, colonel, even if he serves in secret service doesn't run around the world poisoning retired spies and guinea pigs.
4. Not only in Russia, colonels don't join secret service. They must start as lieutenants.
4. Of course whe have here as proves only the "parole d'honor" of British fake media. But even the lie could be a bit more logical. They just don't respect people.
 
Nov 2014
1,448
Birmingham, UK
Certain posters are a little quiet all of a sudden.

Did MI6 plant photos of the accused in Russian Army documents to aid them in carrying out this false flag attack? Was this Russian, decorated colonel actually an MI6 agent all along?

I'm fascinated to see what the next round of equivocations will be from the usual crowd of apologists.
 
Sep 2012
905
Prague, Czech Republic
1. Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms Command school is the school of commanders of infantry. That means there come captains and mayors to be taught to become colonels to command regiment or more. Or as alternative to serve at General Staff.
2. GRU doesn't exist any more.
3. The commander of regiment, colonel, even if he serves in secret service doesn't run around the world poisoning retired spies and guinea pigs.
4. Not only in Russia, colonels don't join secret service. They must start as lieutenants.
4. Of course whe have here as proves only the "parole d'honor" of British fake media. But even the lie could be a bit more logical. They just don't respect people.
1. The academy does apparently have graduates who went on to work in intelligence, since Chepiga is one
2. When we say GRU, we mean the GU, because that's how it's always referred to in English. It just changed its name - this is not relevant to anything we're discussing.
3. I have no idea how Russian secret services do things. What's clear is that a GRU colonel was near the Skripals' residence at the day they were poisoned
4. He's a colonel now. I don't know his rank when he joined the GRU.
Your second 4 is not even a coherent sentence.

I'm having trouble keep track of what you're even trying to argue at this point.

To briefly review what we know - on the day the Skripals were poisoned, two Russians who had come to Britain for only a few days were near their home. One of these guys appears to be a colonel in the GRU (or GU, if you prefer) travelling on a false passport. British police claim to have found traces of the poison with which the Skripals were poisoned in the hotel room where this GRU colonel and his companion stayed.

I have no insight into the thought processes involved in selecting assassination techniques or deciding who to assassinate, so I'm not going to weigh in on that. But that this was a GRU operation is looking pretty plausible to me.
 
Jun 2016
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Russia
1. The academy does apparently have graduates who went on to work in intelligence, since Chepiga is one
2. When we say GRU, we mean the GU, because that's how it's always referred to in English. It just changed its name - this is not relevant to anything we're discussing.
3. I have no idea how Russian secret services do things. What's clear is that a GRU colonel was near the Skripals' residence at the day they were poisoned
4. He's a colonel now. I don't know his rank when he joined the GRU.
Your second 4 is not even a coherent sentence.

I'm having trouble keep track of what you're even trying to argue at this point.

To briefly review what we know - on the day the Skripals were poisoned, two Russians who had come to Britain for only a few days were near their home. One of these guys appears to be a colonel in the GRU (or GU, if you prefer) travelling on a false passport. British police claim to have found traces of the poison with which the Skripals were poisoned in the hotel room where this GRU colonel and his companion stayed.

I have no insight into the thought processes involved in selecting assassination techniques or deciding who to assassinate, so I'm not going to weigh in on that. But that this was a GRU operation is looking pretty plausible to me.
1. Academy doesn't teach how to poison retired ex-spies and guinea pigs. It teaches how to command regiment and more. To imagine that high rank oficer would do the job of a soldier you must have brains of Theresa May.
2. When Theresa May accuses "GRU" in Scripal's case I understand that they faked the case withouth asking specialists in Russian affairs. She doesn't call Angela Merkel "Reichskanzler"
3. Being near is not the crime. It isn't even proof of the crime.

To be clear. Everything I wrote here is not the proof that Petrov, Boshirov and Chepiga are innocent, It was clear from very beginning. It proves how propaganda makers in UK disrespect people in their arrogance, faking absolutely idiotic fairy tales. I know that Scripals case is British provocation because:
1/ Brits accused Russia and expelled diplomats in the time when the "proof" against Russia was "Russian" poison "novichok". There passed half a year after that and nobody proved that Russia produced this poison.
2/ British police "found" the traces of "novichok" in the hotel room of Petrov and Boshirov after half a year.
3/ The case of Amesbury. The couple found perfume with "novichok" after four months.
4/ Long lasting investigation. Its purpose is not to find but to hide. Today's methods, especially cctv and internet allow to find criminals in a couple of hours. In worst cases in a week.
 
Jun 2016
1,758
Russia
You seem to know a lot about the Russian army , Ivan!
Of course I know. As if British army is that much different. Do British colonels walk all the way to their purpose? Do they fulfill dirty work themselves for their soldiers? I think the case would be as funny, if instead of Russian high oficer there would British, French, Albanian etc colonel.
 
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