- Feb 2011
- Kitchener. Ont.
Ok, so you seem to be saying the Egyptians knew who the Hittites were, but didn't know who the foreign invaders were?With all due respect ....... you seem to be doing all you can to ignore the evidence.
There are major marked differences between the Hittites and the Sea Peoples.
1) The Egyptians knew exactly who the Hittites were and so did every Kingdom in the Middle East, they were a major power, there would be no mystery or confusion if the Hittites took over Palestine, they would not be called Philistines they'd be called Hittites!
I think you're confused on this point, it is us "we" who do not know who the Sea Peoples were, not the Egyptians.
"3-4 waves"?2) You stating "All this is shown in relief at Medinet-Habu and cannot, in my opinion, be separated from the Sea Peoples activity." is complete conjecture .......... the Hittites attempted one invasion from my recollection, Egypt recorded 3-4 waves of Sea peoples all with different tribal names so how do you even attempt to make out they are one or a linked entity, even the Egyptians identified them as different.
The idea of "waves" is conjecture, this has been proposed because it seems Merneptah fought some foreign peoples who could be called Sea Peoples, but where Merneptah fought them, and whether these foreigners tried to invade Egypt is completely unknown.
You may not be aware of this but the Egyptians identified groups of Sea Peoples as "rebels'.
Foreign warriors are not rebels, a rebel is one who is acting against the will of his acknowledged king.
There's a valid reason for Ramesses III calling the Sea Peoples "rebels", but historians have not addressed it.
Absolutely, and we read there was a "conspiracy" involving the Sea Peoples and the king of Amor, who at this time was a Hittite vassal. The Hittite army descended south and made a camp in Amor, of course, Amor was a vassal state.3) The Hittites although they probably had some maritime were vastly almost exclusively a land based force.
The Hittites attempted an Imperial invasion not a sea based raid, they came with an army, chariots, spear men, archers, not the fast hitting marine warriors sporting melee weapons and javelins, the Hittites had a balanced army and cavalry.
Rameses speaks about Re-Harakhty authorising him to take up the sword and move against that land of Hatti.
Ramesses attacked Amor, and "Tunip of Hatti", as well as the longtime Hittite supporter state, the island of Arvad.
You're talking about ethnicity, this was a political enterprise, ethnicity has little to do with it.4) Are the Hittites DNA European? they were local Anatolian's.
You didn't mention anyone else, these are your words:5) "It's almost like you see Aegeans as the sole players among the enemy forces." that's your assumption and a ridiculous one, I never said such a thing I'm saying they were separate peoples / incidences, please don't put words in my mouth.
"I am pointing more towards the outer Greek peoples on satellite states like Crete or the settlements around the West Anatolian coast or upper Greek coastlines."
Collectively, I'd call them Aegeans, wouldn't you?
The mystery only exists because of people like Maspero and his like-minded followers.So to summerize with all the evidence we have, you have nothing but empty conjecture, I'm not going to entertain someone dismissing evidence after evidence when your not bringing anything to the party as it just seems your being argumentative for the sake of it?
If the Sea peoples were Hittite forces then there would be no mystery, now with the DNA ....... there isn't even that anymore.
The foreigners were not coming from so far away, they were on the doorstep of Egypt, and in collaboration first with the Libyans, then the Hittites.