Why Americans use the word "Judeo-Christian values"?

Port

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Feb 2013
2,080
portland maine
#42
Actually Quran does not mention name of the son of Abraham who was almost being sacrificed by Abraham. Replacement of Isaac with Ishmael in hadiths could be product of Arab nationalism during Ummayid and Abbasid times as Quresh and northern Arabs considered themselves progeny of Ishmael.

The thing is what Jews themselves has to say about Christians (American-Christians to be precise)?. I find family structure and values of Jews very similar to Muslims or should i say easterns (including non-Muslims like Indians ). American-Christians on the other hand are barely family people. The concept of family is lost on American-Christians. They are individuals with individualistic life style with little concept of family. Extended family is absent from the scene, no concept of respect for elderly etc.
The Koran and the torah share many patriarchs. The difference between the binding in the koran and the torah is that in the Koran Isaac (Ishmael has a voice whereas in the torah he is almost silent. On the way up the mountain he asks where they are going and upon returning he is silent and leaves his father. The koran has the son of Abraham speaking about following the command. Modern day reading of this Parshot focuses on Abraham failing a test” of blindly following and not speaking back to immoral commands.

Ishmael is the older son from Hagar a maid as Sarah, Abraham' s wife was unable to produce a child. At 120 she delivers Issac who carriers on abraham' si line while Hagar and Ismael awe sent into the desert where they are saved and told that Ismael line will be the head of a great kingdom.

Likewise Moses who is mentioned often in both books have very different missions after being with the “burning bush.
 
Oct 2018
1,209
Adelaide south Australia
#43
Judaism , Christianity, and Islam make up the faiths collectively known as 'Abrahamic'; all trace their origins to, and revere, the prophet Abraham.

Pretty obvious with Judaism and Christianity as they share the Torah (the first five books of the Old Testament) The connection with Islam is a bit more problematic as Muslims pretty much deny any connection with theTorah. If one reads the Quran with an open copy of The Torah, it soon becomes evident that large chunks of the Quran were lifted from theTorah.

In the US, the dominant faith has been Christianity. It is recognised that the 'cultural morality" of the US comes from the Torah. Hence, 'normal values' are said to be judeo-christian. This is NOT the same as saying the US was founded on the Christian faith.

I refer to Article 11 of the Treaty Of Tripoli ratified by President John Adams in 1796.


Article 11 reads:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."​


Treaty of Tripoli - Wikipedia
 

Bart Dale

Ad Honorem
Dec 2009
7,095
#44
It´s a pity that your arguments are often so vague and therefore rather non-substantial.

* What´s means "the same moral values"? Which values do you refer to? The ten Commandments? Most of them are shared by all cultures. Obeying to the "Law" (commandments) counts a lot in Judaism but very little in Christianity since without faith in Jesus Christ neither obeying to the Law nor any good works have any value. Therefore the "same moral values" stand in very different contexts. ,
Monogomy, that marriage should be a life commitment , charity toward the poor, that religion was important toward family life, importance of family, .professed adherence.to the 10 commandments.

* They share "the same stories" but put them in totally different contexts. So it´s not exactly the "same stories" because of the different contexts.
Is Noah in a different context? How are the stories of Abraham set in different ontnex? What does that even mean, for the stories to be set in a different contex?
 

VHS

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Dec 2015
4,418
Florania
#45
Judaism , Christianity, and Islam make up the faiths collectively known as 'Abrahamic'; all trace their origins to, and revere, the prophet Abraham.

Pretty obvious with Judaism and Christianity as they share the Torah (the first five books of the Old Testament) The connection with Islam is a bit more problematic as Muslims pretty much deny any connection with theTorah. If one reads the Quran with an open copy of The Torah, it soon becomes evident that large chunks of the Quran were lifted from theTorah.

In the US, the dominant faith has been Christianity. It is recognised that the 'cultural morality" of the US comes from the Torah. Hence, 'normal values' are said to be judeo-christian. This is NOT the same as saying the US was founded on the Christian faith.

I refer to Article 11 of the Treaty Of Tripoli ratified by President John Adams in 1796.


Article 11 reads:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."​


Treaty of Tripoli - Wikipedia
Tanakh is the exact name for the shared scripture between Judaism and Christianity.
How is Islam an Abrahmic faith?
 

pugsville

Ad Honorem
Oct 2010
9,084
#46
Monogomy, that marriage should be a life commitment , charity toward the poor, that religion was important toward family life, importance of family, .professed adherence.to the 10 commandments.
And how are these values particular to Judaism or Christianity?

marriage, Charity, importance of family, not stealing and killing are pretty universal regardless of religion.
 

Bart Dale

Ad Honorem
Dec 2009
7,095
#47
And how are these values particular to Judaism or Christianity?

marriage, Charity, importance of family, not stealing and killing are pretty universal regardless of religion.

All that is true. But Christian values has a better sound bites than just being s food person. In many societies , marrigae was rather casual, and marriages could be formed and dissolved readily. Also, monogomy wasnt as important in other societies, open marriages were more common.