Why are Hong Kongers all of a suddenly protesting for democracy when they were never a democracy?

heylouis

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Apr 2013
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the superiority feeling of west that they can decided what is better for the world must end.
knowing the west is only a fraction of human being would be good start.

my intention here, not to persuade western guys to change your minds or to sacrifice your freedom, but just to tell you that we do not think in your way.
and we are not a nation can be easily manipulated like iraq or afgan through military or economic pressures, also less true through media bombs.
 
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heylouis

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Apr 2013
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remember the moment western diplomacy declaring the chemical weapons of iraq in UN council when they knew that is not true
remember it is chinese embassy once be destroyed by missiles from west in a modern history.

distrust is seed by west itself.
do not try to persuade us, the west will do all best for china without any selfish.
 
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remember the moment western diplomacy declaring the chemical weapons of iraq in UN council when they knew that is not true
remember it is chinese embassy once be destroyed by missiles from west in a modern history.

distrust is seed by west itself.
do not try to persuade us, the west will do all best for china without any selfish.
I do remember. Can you answer my question please? Does or does not the Chinese covernment try to define a standard for it´s people?
 

Larrey

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Sep 2011
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the superiority feeling of west that they can decided what is better for the world must end.
knowing the west is only a fraction of human being would be good start.
Even if that was true – that's the pot calling the kettle black here.

And the argument is based on general principles, not any supposed "westernness". Unless of course, like China currently does, one essentializes principles like the rule-of-law, the free formation of opinion, civil and political rights for citizens, political pluralism and representative government as somehow alien and un-Chinese.

Hongkong disagrees. And this is a conflict over fundamental principles of how a society should function. Between Beijing and Hongkong, and between China and the concepts of the free and open society, as codified in representative democracy.

In the end it's up to China to come up with something better. Hongkong right now clearly indicates it has not.

The dissonance of this Chinese failure, and the aggressive argumentation about essentual Chinese culture, tradtion, values etc. is ringing increasingly hollow. China can develop in any direction. The problem is that its current dictatorial government maintains a monopoly on a billion+ Chinese. And it's supporters are arguing in favour of this.
my intention here, not to persuade western guys to change your minds or to sacrifice your freedom, but just to tell you that we do not think in your way.
and we are not a nation can be easily manipulated like iraq or afgan through military or economic pressures, also less true through media bombs.
The Hongkongers disagree. So do the Taiwanese. Millions of Chinese all over the world.

But it is telling that arguments coming out of China is no longer that China is a democracy, and that there is no fundamental conflict between the Chinese system and those of the western democracies. That seems to have been ditchd favour of a nationalist and essentialist argument that China is "different" in such a fashion that dictature is right and proper for it.

Good thing if it stops trying to sell that overseas. Then it becomes a matter of what kind of society China should be? But that's currently not up to the Chinese to decide. That's the privilege of the CCP.

And the Hongkongers still disagree.

And the CCP still has no idea how to convince them otherwise, So in the end it will be the whip and the cudgel, with the odd bribe to buy a bit of complacency, if possible.
 
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Hong Kong is now not an open society , pro-Beijing opinion voicers and businesses are beaten up and ruined by violent mobs. The so-called pro-democracy and liberty movement is actually an anti-china and anti-Hong Kong government campaign such that the ruling authority of the Hong Kong government is nullified.
In the July 1 break-in of Legislative Council one of the unmasked leader voiced the followers to stay on inside the building as long as possible and vowed to form a new provisional legislative council to replace the existing legitimate legislative council. However all the rioters chickened out and went away when the police force made a counter offensive at midnight . This supposed one of the leaders there fled to U.S. the next morning by plane.

Just a couple of days ago in the Chartered Place in Central District, a priest talked to the mass that a provisional Hong Kong govt. is formed.

I speculate sooner or later the U.S. politicians would give blessings to this "provisional Hong Kong govt." and would acknowledge those self-imposed leaders of this illegitimate government of the opposition force.
 

heylouis

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Apr 2013
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China
I do remember. Can you answer my question please? Does or does not the Chinese covernment try to define a standard for it´s people?
you remember what?
what are the events i mentioned?
what do you remember?

chinese government is made by chinese people, we are coherent on the hk issue.
 

heylouis

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Apr 2013
6,501
China
Even if that was true – that's the pot calling the kettle black here.

And the argument is based on general principles, not any supposed "westernness". Unless of course, like China currently does, one essentializes principles like the rule-of-law, the free formation of opinion, civil and political rights for citizens, political pluralism and representative government as somehow alien and un-Chinese.
whether china acts in this way or that is out of your deserved concern
we are based on law and democratic. however, we do not live for proof for you. remember that well

Hongkong disagrees. ... still disagree.
meaningless title of "hongkong", as if hongkong is one identity with one thought.

videos already been given that shows the "protesters" are just several guys harming the silent majority with various violent actions, from stopping people to work, destroying sub-way equipment, laser pointing elder women.............