China also has an equally long history of stories rank injustice, people railroaded using legal formalities by corrupt officials.do not use your prejudiced idea to try to understand chinese rules.
remember china has the longest history of bureaucratic system, which you cannot expect to be all function in the way you are familiar with.
That doesn't matter. It leads nowhere. No one in any position of political power in HK needs to give a fig about any of that because of HK is run, how the political system is set up.What other manisfestation of public opinion do the Hongkongers not have? Give a specific example. Are you claiming HK people aren't allowed to talk about it,, write about it, put up fliers about it, but they're allowed to protest about it?
original context:China also has an equally long history of stories rank injustice, people railroaded using legal formalities by corrupt officials.
China then also has an equally long tradition of uprisings and rebellions, also sometimes successfully, against corrupt rulers. But that's clearly not going to be allowed on the CCP's watch.
Carrie Lam was nominated by the election committee of hk
"by china" is vastly a meaningless term as it refers to nothing. for example, powers are dived in china, the central government, the people's congress, military commission and the president are all divided.
here nomination of carrie lam was not done by central government or military commission/president.
nomination rights is granted by the people's congress, the election committee (of 1200 people) of hk is permitted to carry out nomination on behave of people's congress.
the nomination generates more than 1 person for election. and all joins in debate in public, broadcast via TV, before voting
the the elected chief is then given appointment to the one win the voting. the appointment is carried out by the central government on behave of the people's congress. the hk special administrative region is an extension of the central government. this appointment is an approve of the extension, for that, the central government is allowed to propose objection about the candidate in the people's congress
throughout the whole procedure, it is mainly about people's congress and central gov, president and military commission almost do not join.
if anyone not familiar with chinese administration system, one should learn the shift of chinese governments, especially on the shifts happening among song, yuan and to ming time.
this is worth watching
Hong Kong's last British governor hits back at China's claims he is one of the 'black hands' fomenting the city's pro-democracy protests.www.abc.net.au
Well, you're trying to base an argument on authority here, while denying me any.original context:
i have presented discussions, at least corrected a wrong number from 800 to 1200 people about the election committee
for that, i believe i gave something valuable
what is your value except throwing out context-less assertions, and clueless sentences?
if you are just about to make a negative speech about china, DO NOT bother me by quoting my post. i hope you understand
first of all, your quotation in #182Well, you're trying to base an argument on authority here, while denying me any.
Which is frankly the problem with the mainland Chinese approach to the Honkong protests. Arguments form authority won't work and is what got China and HK into the mess in the first place,
I listen to what's reported out of HK from the protests. It relies on paying attention to how the protesters, who are the ones keeping the situation going, frame the situation and their actions.
And the conclusions I have presented make perfect sense – it's just that it means things are almost impossible for Beijing to fix – especially when trying to do it on a simple basis of authority. The HK protestesters do not recognize that authority.
So you can refuse to accept the analysis. Preferring to construct an argument on a presumed basis of you having authority by being Chinese, and my argument having no value, on the basis of me not being Chinese. At least it is consistent on the line of arguments presented by the Chinese government, in relation to the HK protesters and the rest of the world as well.
However, is it working?
The protests in HK continue.
I DON't like be harassed by irrelevant quotationsI'm stating my opinion on the situation in Hongkong, and why it has turned out like it does. You don't like it, and you don't have to like it. (I of course think you should pay attention, because in my opinion there is something there that is highly relevant to understand the situation.)
I am also free to state my opinion, including an attempt at analysis of the structure behind your arguments – whether I am right or wrong – and you are of course free to violently and fundamentally disagree with me.
But what you are again trying to do now looks more like wanting to shut down debate by arguing to authority.
Which, as I have already stated, I think has a nice parallell to how the Chinese government tries to argue the situation in HK.
And it's not working, and the protests in HK continue.
if you are just about to make a negative speech about china, just plainly write a post, without quotation.
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