- Feb 2011
False equivocation: HKongers managed to vote for parties that Beijing don't like, which is a legal process in Hong Kong, it shows what HK can do legally in HK. People streaming over the Berlin Wall is an illegal process, it shows they would risk the wrath of the law to move to a better place. HKongers and mainlanders move to each other's cities legally all the time, which is not the scenario with the Berlin Wall. And by the way, Hkongers emigration is increasing and mainland immigration to HK decreased for the past year. Guess why that is?"Look at all those people streaming over the Berlin Wall! Kind of puts the lie to all those people claiming it was repressive for all those years!"
That is incorrect and you know it. For example, in the following thread:My responses go dead when I get a hysterical rant about how I'm repressing people merely by disagreeing with them, all in barely intelligible prose.
You told me to "Join Falun Gong for a month and then get back to me. Hopefully you'll still have all your organs."
I gave you the following response, in which you gave no reply. Where did I make the claim that you're "repressing people merely by disagreeing"? Nowhere, you came back to the thread with unrelated cheap shots instead.
Here was my reply:
The organ harvesting story is just another one of those misconceptions blown out of proportion that's so prevalent, things like this makes me wonder how 'free' our own information really is. There's not much difference between building a wall between you and the truth, and having a desert between you and the truth. You're 'free' to travel across the desert for the truth, but the clear majority will stay in their comfort zone. So the end result is the same. If you judge other ideology by how they work in actuality rather than how they work ideally on paper, than you should judge your own ideology in the same way.
In other words, the majority will only learn about Falun Gong organ harvesting but read nothing about the following:
The organ harvesting story surfaced stemming from accusations that Sujiatun harvested FLG prisoners. However, this was disproven by Harry Wu whose team secretely investigated Sujiatun and found nothing of the sort, it’s just a normal hospital.
EastSouthWestNorth: Wu Hongda's Statement on the Sujiatun Concentration Camp
Wu Hongda's Statement on the Sujiatun Concentration Camp
“I arranged for people inside China to visit the Sujiatun scene. From March 12, the investigators canvassed the entire Sujiatun area. On March 17, the investigators visited two military barracks in Sujiatun. On March 27, the investigators secretly visited the Chinese Medical Blood Clotting Treatment Center in Sujiatun. On March 29, the investigators went to the Kongjiashan prison near Sujiatun. None of the aforementioned investigations revealed any trace of the concentration camp. The investigators provided me with photographs and written reports on their investigation and results on March 15, 17, 27, 29, 30 and April 4.”
And before you doubt the accuracy of Harry Wu’s investigation, let me say that Harry Wu was imprisoned by the PRC before, Harry continued being an outspoken critic of the PRC, and he was on friendly terms with the FLG. Once he released the report that the organ harvesting stories are filled with BS, the FLG released smear articles on Harry Wu until Harry Wu used his FLG connections to put a stop to it.
The organ harvesting story resurfaced more recently from London, in which mainstream media claimed that an “independent” tribunal claimed that China was still engaged in massive harvesting of FLG organs. Let’s see how ‘independent’ they are. The tribunal was set up by the “International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse”.
The executive director is Susie Hughes, who works for the Epoch Times, a FLG mouthpiece: Management | The International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse in China
Second person is Margo MacVicar, who works for the Epoch Times, a FLG mouthpiece: Margo Macvicar - The Epoch Times
Third person is Rebecca (Becky) James, who already had a prior history of pushing the organ harvesting narrative and is an organizer for the FLG in UK: The Third Round Table Briefing on Organ Harvesting in China - The APPG for International Freedom of Religion or Belief
Fourth person is Andy Moody, who is another FLG member: https://www.tasteoflifemag.com/a-man-and-his-mirror/
Fifth person is Victoria Ledwidge, a prominent FLG member: New York: Falun Dafa Practitioners from Around the World Participate in Character Formation and Share Their Joy
Sixth person is David Tompkins, who works for the Epoch Times, a FLG mouthpiece: David Tompkins - The Epoch Times
It's called "Atrocity Propaganda". It's been used to make ridiculous news such as the idea that China censored Winnie the Pooh, obviously false. Same for the "1 million Uighur imprisoned" misconception, in which it was stated with zero sources. It's only after the statement was claimed that sources surfaced, but these sources are once again US government fronts, and sourcing that quotes from US government fronts: No, the UN Did Not Report China Has ‘Massive Internment Camps’ for Uighur Muslims - Global Research
Now the number has blown up to 3 million Uighurs imprisoned (there's only a total of 11 million). Which might be believable if you have no contact and never lived there. But not believable if you live there and go "I'm not seeing 30% of my Uighur friends disappearing").