Why communism never had a chance

Jun 2016
117
The savage land of The Balkans
#1
Dont crucify me until you please read the whole thing. I always thought the communism was and is destined to fail because the circumstances required for it´s effectiveness are practically not achievable. When Marx envisioned his utopian society, the countries he had in mind where industrial nations with a significant democratic tradition. I think the one he had in mind was England but i guess it could work for the German principalities or one of the Scandinavian kingdoms. The inherit flaw in this ambition is that the societal strain required to incite the revolution is usually born from oppressive highly centralized instable incompetent governments. I do not imply that capitalist countries like England etc can not fail , but total collapse is unlikely and in such cases the populous tends to turn towards fascism. The soviet union´s failure has more to do with the fact that Russia in ungovernable than the inherit flaws in communist policy. But if Russia wasn't such a mess, it would never go communist.

Does this make any sense to you?

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AlpinLuke

Forum Staff
Oct 2011
26,833
Italy, Lago Maggiore
#2
Quite correct.

I would add a general consideration regarding Communism: it's not naturally human. Once a common worker gets a bit of authority he will begin to act like a "friend of the capitalists" [this was a common accusation among Italian Communists for those mates who dared to get to close to the capitalists].

It's a matter of a perspective ... in a competitive society individualism is an asset, not a source of problem, while communist is a problem, not an asset.
 
Jun 2016
117
The savage land of The Balkans
#3
What I cannot explain is the communist/anarchist tendencies in southern Europe. I understand why it would happen in Yugoslavia, but I can't explain why in has historically been so popular in rest of the European South. I live across the sea in Greece, I know both we and you guys could have gone communist during the Cold war.
 

AlpinLuke

Forum Staff
Oct 2011
26,833
Italy, Lago Maggiore
#5
Maybe it's the long authoritarian tradition.
Since fascism failed in both countries and was driven underground those societal forces where driven towards communism.
I can talk about Italy, a Western country where Communists were able to gain the 33% of the electorate [in democratic free elections].

Italy suffered Fascism and the Nazi occupation. While the allied forces were liberating the country, the Communists fought in the Partisan armies and they took part to the process of creation of the Republic [just the first article of our Constitution is evidently influenced by Socialist / Communist ideals].

The same in France, Spain ... and I guess that, by difference, we can understand why in UK a real strong and rooted Communist or Socialist movement has never existed [the Labor party is not really Socialist ... come on!].
 
Aug 2014
1,170
Portugal
#7
Quite correct.

I would add a general consideration regarding Communism: it's not naturally human.
Slavery is AFAIK "naturally human" yet is still alive at least from the Neolithic.

Talking about "naturally human"... probabily most of the time our species spent on earth was under communism.

And there's also important diferences between Marx and the political, social and economic structure of the Soviet Union.
 

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