Why did Algeria and Libya suffer more from democratization than Tunisia and Egypt did?

Futurist

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May 2014
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I'm not quite sure if this topic belongs here or in another thread since it covers both the pre-1992 time period and the post-1992 time period. Anyway, I would hope that the mods will move this thread to the correct place if this isn't the correct place for it.

Here goes:

Why did Algeria and Libya suffer much more from democratization attempts than Tunisia and Egypt did? When Algeria tried to democratize in the late stages of the Benjedid regime, it ended up with the very real possibility of having Islamists who don't believe in democracy be elected. Thus, the Algerian military cancelled these elections at the last minute and subsequently an extremely bloody and brutal civil war occurred in Algeria--a civil war which lasted for a whopping ten years. However, when Egypt's military overthrew the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt didn't experience a civil war like Algeria previously did. Why exactly did Egypt endure much less bloodshed after democracy there was suppressed than Algeria did in similar circumstances?

Also, why was Tunisia able to democratize without descending into either Islamism or civil war while Libya wasn't?
 
Nov 2010
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Egypt nearly went the same way a couple of years ago - until the military stepped in again. Tunisia had a very good ruler after independence but of course in recent years has been destabilised by islamists trying to ruin the economy etc

The terrorist 'footsoldiers' think they are making a stand against immorally drssed western tourists and we nasty westerners in general - the leaders of course are trying to destabilise the tourist economies so they can create unrest, take over and create ruthless dictatorships.

The 'sheep' mentality amazes me. Why would you just want to kill someone who have done you no harm?
 
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Bart Dale

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Dec 2009
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Egypt has an idenifity of a people and a unified nation that goes back to ancient times which Algeria and Libya lacked, which helps.

Tunisia may be less ethnically diverse, which could held. Although Algeria.also seems.composed primarily of Arab speaking Berber, I.dont think.Berbers are single monolithic ethnic group, and so Tunisia may be split into less rival factions than the other countries.
 
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Futurist

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Egypt nearly went the same way a couple of years ago - until the military stepped in again. Tunisia had a very good ruler after independence but of course in recent years has been destabilised by islamists trying to ruin the economy etc
What's interesting is that Egypt didn't descend into civil war after the Muslim Bros were ousted, though. Why were the Muslim Bros unable to create a massive insurgency in Egypt like Islamists previously did in Algeria?

Also, while Tunisia has some problems with terrorism right now, it's still a more-or-less functioning democracy and a country which has been ranked "Free" on Freedom House's "Freedom in the World" ranking. Indeed, why did Tunisia fare much better after democratization than Egypt and especially Algeria and Libya did?

The terrorist 'footsoldiers' think they are making a stand against immorally dressed western tourists and we nasty westerners in general - the leaders of course are trying to destabilise the tourist economies so they can create unrest, take over and create ruthless dictatorships.

The 'sheep' mentality amazes me. Why would you just want to kill someone who have done you no harm?
If you want to create an Islamist dictatorship, then one could believe that the ends justify the means, no?
 
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What's interesting is that Egypt didn't descend into civil war after the Muslim Bros were ousted, though. Why were the Muslim Bros unable to create a massive insurgency in Egypt like Islamists previously did in Algeria?

Also, while Tunisia has some problems with terrorism right now, it's still a more-or-less functioning democracy and a country which has been ranked "Free" on Freedom House's "Freedom in the World" ranking. Indeed, why did Tunisia fare much better after democratization than Egypt and especially Algeria and Libya did?

If you want to create an Islamist dictatorship, then one could believe that the ends justify the means, no?
All dictators believe that.

In Egypt the army is quite ruthless. The Muslim Brotherhood leaders were all locked up and some executed. So who'd be the first on the street to protest?
 
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Tulius

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May 2016
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Why was Algeria's military/government unwilling to treat its Islamists in a similar manner?
The information that I have about Algeria (there are a couple Portuguese construct companies and Portuguese workers and overseers there), is that the military are pretty ruthless with the extremists. The policy is to shoot first, ask later.