Why did ancient egypt leave so little impact on the west?

Ichon

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Mar 2013
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Quite a few indications the contact between ancient Egypt and Crete/Greece was quite heavy and probably several cultural attitudes were disseminated that we have trouble tracking. The Egyptian Pantheon can be traced in large part to various Egyptian mythological figures according to Herodotus and excavations reveal quite striking parallels in depictions though some similarities all through the Mediterranean exist likely coming out of earlier civilizations the particular relationship between ancient Egypt and Greece is quite interesting. If we then extend that relationship to Romans who were adopting Greek mythology and the cultural mores that come with a shared mythos it is quite possible many ideas of the ancient Egyptians are much more common but not acknowledged because modern Egypt appears so foreign compared to the 'west' as we understand it today.
 
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Jul 2019
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Abidjan
..But once again I feel (with respect) you are clutching at straws. Are you suggesting that the origin of the monotheistic faiths was actually Egypt?
Once again- not asking if (pre-ptolomeic/ Greek) Egypt did/didn't achieve impressive things.... but whether these things influenced 'the west'?
Interesting that the Phoenicians-> Carthaginians (rather than the Egyptians) developed the alphabet, took over Mediterranean sea trade/ ship technology/ agricultural technology etc.... colonised Spain, traded with Britain...... much more of an influence than Egypt I would suggest.
egyptians have their own alphabet and have navy
an old papyrus have been found in ireland Un papyrus egyptien en Irlande - Le blog de l'Irlandaise
which prove egyptiians have navigated towatds ireland
 
Jul 2019
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Abidjan
I brought that up because some people deny or downplay Egypt's influence on early Greeks as a result of afrocentric fantasies of sub-saharan people being the founders of Ancient Egypt and that Greeks (who were European) stole their ideas and that without Africans, Europeans would have no civilization. The whole idea of Ancient Egyptians being black comes from West Africans living in the new world who believe that their ancestors were all kings and had glorious inventions that were later stolen by whites. It's downright inferiority complex, trying to steal the achievements of people you have nothing in common with (which I don't blame since African Americans have been constantly indoctrinated by racist propaganda that they are an "inferior, primitive and uncivilized people incapable of producing civilization" by white Europeans). I bought up the whole popular music thing just to show that African Americans have their own achievements and they shouldn't listen to such garbage.
egyptians are blacks they named themselves khemet which means blacks,khmet has a link to the myth man come from dust khmet means black soil
also egypt is an ethiopian colony:
Diodore de Sicile say this
"They say, moreover, that most of the Egyptian customs are of Ethiopian origin, as the colonies preserve the traditions of the metropolis; that the respect for kings, considered as gods, the rite of funerals and many other uses, are Ethiopian institutions; finally, that the types of sculpture and the characters of writing are also borrowed from Ethiopians. The Egyptians have two kinds of particular writings, one called vulgar, which is learned by everybody; the other, called sacred, known only to priests, and taught to them from father to son among the secret things. However, the Ethiopians make indifferent use of the one and the other writing. "

- Diodorus of Sicily, Historical Library, III, 3 [read online [archive]]Wikiwix's cache
whereas we know according to the myth of andromeda that ethiopians trust in Amon and it's noticeable ethiopians trust in Amon, then the saying of Diodore de Sicile is true ethiopians being the first to trust in Amon so the first people of egypt are ethiopians ethiopians being the first alone to trust in Amon, so egyptians are blacks whereas the tradition of the god king coming from ethiopia so the followers of the tradition of god king are blacks , so egyptians are blacks
 
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I'm pretty sure the consensus is that Egyptians did not have dark skin like subsaharan Africans.... of course they are just as 'African'... if you accept the anachronism.

Like saying the ancient persians were "Iranian". Perhaps also that "Ancient Greeks" are "(modern) Greek" peoples... the macedonians will argue about this!
 
Aug 2018
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America
I'm pretty sure the consensus is that Egyptians did not have dark skin like subsaharan Africans.... of course they are just as 'African'... if you accept the anachronism.

Like saying the ancient persians were "Iranian". Perhaps also that "Ancient Greeks" are "(modern) Greek" peoples... the macedonians will argue about this!
Not really. There were people with dark skin like Sub-Saharan Africans, the Nubians and Ethiopians mainly who constituted a large portion of Egypt's population, and the Nubians even became pharaohs when they conquered Egypt for at least a century before the Assyrian invasion, Nubian domination being of such an extent that the Bible refers to Egypt as "Cush" during this period, and I'm pretty sure that the last pre-Greek native pharaohs still remained predominantly Nubian rather than the more lighter skinned Egyptians of the north beloved by 19th century Egyptologists and internet polemicists seeing Herodotus's descriptions. It's debatable how many Nubians were in the nobility and how many Nubians in general were in Egypt, but that these Nubians with skins as dark as people in Congo or Zimbabwe were in Egypt is not in dispute.

This is also what has led to the utterly risible invention of an Aryan or Caucasian African people called "Hamites" starting with Sir William Jones. The Hamites (completely non-existent but made real to suit European colonial imagination) according to this ridiculous theory were originally light skinned blonds that came to Egypt from the north and from Egypt invaded the rest of Africa, but who became dark as a result of the African heat. They were "dark Whites" in other words who can be identified by their supposed distinctive "Caucasoid" or "Aryan" features. Of course, given how Europeans never even agreed on what these features were, even African peoples of the interior like Bantus, Ashantis and Yorubas were declared "Hamitic". Virtually all African groups were declared Hamitic at some point, in fact, with the debate by the early 20th century instead being how much Hamitic blood was in them rather than whether they were Hamitic to begin with. This even led to the creation of classes in Rwanda and Burundi, the Tutsi being declared more Hamitic, and therefore Whiter, than the Hutu. Read Michael F. Lauryssen's "The Lost White Tribe" for this interesting tidbit.
 
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Larrey

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Sep 2011
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Not really. There were people with dark skin like Sub-Saharan Africans, the Nubians and Ethiopians mainly who constituted a large portion of Egypt's population, and the Nubians even became pharaohs when they conquered Egypt for at least a century before the Assyrian invasion, Nubian domination being of such an extent that the Bible refers to Egypt as "Cush" during this period, and I'm pretty sure that the last pre-Greek native pharaohs still remained predominantly Nubian
Pretty much every attempt at getting at some kind of skin-colour re the Egyptians is a waste of time. Not least because the entire skin-colour thing is a modern fixation – either way.

One interesting aspect of the Cushite 25th dynasty is that it was eventually defeated by the Assyrians. The Assyrian depictions of the Egyptian army it beat are interesting in their portrayal because it sports a look that is distinctly Nubian, as compared with Egyptian depiction of Nubians. I.e. it differs from the established from the inconography otherwise related to Egyptians.
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It's pretty obvious that both Egytpians and Nubians had no trouble at all spotting and distinguishing each other. And that doesn't actually involve pigmentation either. The Assyrian depictions certainly aren't conclusive either way re modern questions about skin-colour. But they are indicative that the Nubian pharaohs, with their original Nubian power-base to the south of Egypt, and their Nubian army drawn from there, remained pretty distinct from the Egyptians to their north. The Assyrians noticed.

As for the the late pharaohs, by the Greek times the Egyptian pharanoic dynasties had all be Libyan for centuries, founded originally but the chiefs of "the Libu and Mashwash" who started moving into the western Delta of the Nile in increasing numbers in the Late period, and eventually had a power-base from which to take control of the whole of Egypt.
 
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Naomasa298

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Apr 2010
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Because modern history as it developed loaded it with massive amounts of connotations, virtually all bad or at least problematic, and we're still working through it.
Did it matter to them?