Why did Communism never catch on among African-Americans?

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Futurist

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Why did Communism never catch on among African-Americans? Was it because they were unwilling to form an alliance with a white working class that frequently supported discrimination against them? Was it because being black in the US was hard enough without also being Red? Was it because the Communist idea of a black ethno-state or at least a black federal unit within the US simply didn't appeal very much to blacks? Was it for some other reason?

What are your own thoughts on this?
 
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Apparently, they are mostly realistic, and understand that the social aid that they are receiving now is possible only in a wealthy state.
While the ideal to share everything can only give a short-term effect, but worse situation later.
 
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Futurist

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Apparently, they are mostly realistic, and understand that the social aid that they are receiving now is possible only in a wealthy state.
While the ideal to share everything can only give a short-term effect, but worse situation later.
Why didn't a lot of the Russian urban working class realize this back in 1917, though? In the 1917 Russian elections, the peasants largely voted for the SRs while AFAIK the urban working class largely voted for the Bolsheviks.
 

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Weren't the Black Panthers influenced by Marxism, being revolutionary socialists? But I admittedly don't know much about them
 
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Weren't the Black Panthers influenced by Marxism, being revolutionary socialists? But I admittedly don't know much about them
Possibly, but just how much black support did the Black Panthers actually have?

Also, it's not like the Black Panther Party ever actually became a powerful political force; rather, most US blacks continued to vote for the Democrats even after the Civil Rights Movement occurred in the US.
 
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Why didn't a lot of the Russian urban working class realize this back in 1917, though? In the 1917 Russian elections, the peasants largely voted for the SRs while AFAIK the urban working class largely voted for the Bolsheviks.
They did not have the historical experience that we have now, socialism was a new, untested idea, and therefore attractive.
But even then, the Bolsheviks did not have a clear advantage and lost the election to the constituent assembly.
 
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Maki

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But it did. African Americans were the biggest group in the Alabama Communist Party for example. In fact, this led to the Communist Party being branded a "nigger party". The blacks were drawn to the Party because it promised them education and because it promised to fight racism and oppression. In fact, black Communists were among the first groups to hold anti-Nazi rallies in America. The earliest ones happened in March 1933 due to the arrest of the German Communist leader Ernst Thalmann. Many black Communists started seeing the USSR as a "new Ethiopia" and Stalin as a "new Lincoln". The Party appealed most to poor blacks while most middle-class blacks opposed it.
 

Tulun

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Possibly, but just how much black support did the Black Panthers actually have?

Also, it's not like the Black Panther Party ever actually became a powerful political force; rather, most US blacks continued to vote for the Democrats even after the Civil Rights Movement occurred in the US.
Well, but the same can be said about the communist movement in general in the US. So your whole premise might be wrong by focusing only on the Blacks....why did communism never catch on among Americans (of any race, color, ethnicity) in general as a significant political force?
 
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Well, but the same can be said about the communist movement in general in the US. So your whole premise might be wrong by focusing only on the Blacks....why did communism never catch on among Americans (of any race, color, ethnicity) in general as a significant political force?
I was asking specifically about US blacks here because they have an especially strong history of oppression, though; even poor whites in the US were not as oppressed as US blacks were.
 

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But it did. African Americans were the biggest group in the Alabama Communist Party for example. In fact, this led to the Communist Party being branded a "nigger party". The blacks were drawn to the Party because it promised them education and because it promised to fight racism and oppression. In fact, black Communists were among the first groups to hold anti-Nazi rallies in America. The earliest ones happened in March 1933 due to the arrest of the German Communist leader Ernst Thalmann. Many black Communists started seeing the USSR as a "new Ethiopia" and Stalin as a "new Lincoln". The Party appealed most to poor blacks while most middle-class blacks opposed it.
Was organizing actually safe for black Communists in Alabama in the 1930s, though? I mean, one would think that angry Southern whites might have lynched any Southern blacks who were also Red in the 1930s, no?
 
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