Why did not Tocharians adopt Chinese script but chose Brahmi script?

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Jun 2014
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tocharians, blue eyed IE people of modern day PRC are known to us by many sources but their languages and cultures are known to world by their literature written in Brahmi script. The question is why these guys did not adopt Chinese scripts but rather chose Brahmi script which was primarily used by Indo aryans?
 

Vajra

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May 2013
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tocharians, blue eyed IE people of modern day PRC are known to us by many sources but their languages and cultures are known to world by their literature written in Brahmi script. The question is why these guys did not adopt Chinese scripts but rather chose Brahmi script which was primarily used by Indo aryans?
Because they were much closer to Indic culture than Chinese.
 
Jun 2014
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Because they were much closer to Indic culture than Chinese.
Why they were closer to Indic culture? Chinese ruled those areas while no army from India entered Xinjiang except once and that is beyond our period, I expect a place being ruled by Chinese closer to China.
 

Vajra

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May 2013
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Why they were closer to Indic culture? Chinese ruled those areas while no army from India entered Xinjiang except once and that is beyond our period, I expect a place being ruled by Chinese closer to China.

I was speaking of culturally being closer :) We don't need any army to spread our culture.While the Chinese Buddhism have been mixed with Taoism and other native traditions,the Tocharians had a 'purer' form of Buddhism.

Same can be said of Tibet.They also used a script which is derived from Brahmi.
 
Dec 2013
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Gaia
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China was their protector, patron and long-time ally. Why did they move into India, killing countless Indians, and not Chinese? As with the Tibetans and others, practical concerns trump nebulous "cultural affinities" or Pakistan and Bangladesh wouldn't hate India. China also doesn't actively spread its culture, and it's likely that IE languages don't adapt well to logographic script.
 
Jun 2014
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China was their protector, patron and long-time ally. Why did they move into India, killing countless Indians, and not Chinese? As with the Tibetans and others, practical concerns trump nebulous "cultural affinities" or Pakistan and Bangladesh wouldn't hate India. China also doesn't actively spread its culture, and it's likely that IE languages don't adapt well to logographic script.
Stay on topic. Tocharians did not move out of China at all, they spoke a language which was centum not satem like Yuezhi. Japan , Korea and Vietnam did adopt Chinese scripts by the way.
 
Jun 2014
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We have already discussed this in another thread, the whole controversy exists because of a simple thing- scholars gave name Tocharian to people who did not call themselves as such, so a people who were blue eyed whites and wrote their Centum IE language in Brahmi were called Tocharians by modern day scholars while yuezhi who spoke satem Iranic and who were called Tukharas by Indic sources are generally called Kushans.
Now some people think that those blue eyed centum speakers should be called pseudo Tocharian but since usage of this term is already 100 years old, this is not going to gain acceptance.

I have followed scholars in conventional manner, by Tocharians we mean blue eyed groups with non Iranic IE language and whose principal seats were Turfan and Aqsu .
 
Aug 2014
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We have already discussed this in another thread, the whole controversy exists because of a simple thing- scholars gave name Tocharian to people who did not call themselves as such, so a people who were blue eyed whites and wrote their Centum IE language in Brahmi were called Tocharians by modern day scholars while yuezhi who spoke satem Iranic and who were called Tukharas by Indic sources are generally called Kushans.
Now some people think that those blue eyed centum speakers should be called pseudo Tocharian but since usage of this term is already 100 years old, this is not going to gain acceptance.

I have followed scholars in conventional manner, by Tocharians we mean blue eyed groups with non Iranic IE language and whose principal seats were Turfan and Aqsu .
What is your opinion about JP Mallory's reading that in the preserved Tocharian language of 600-800 AD, their ethnonym for themselves was Kusinne, Kuchean or Kushan (Kingdom of Kucha and Agni) ? Could Mallory have been ignorant of the Satem Kushans vs. the Centum Tocharians ? Others too call Tocharians Agni-Kuchi.
 
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