Why did only Asian based countries defeat the Mongol invasions?

Jun 2013
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#51
Its constantly claimed by Koreans on this forum that Koreans making ridiculous ultra-nationalist claims are non-Koreans in disguise. Its convenient how everyone who sounds ridiculous gets turned into a non-Korean. (only when they say it in English)

AltaicKorean earlier told me this article was nonsense written by Japanese people with an agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_nationalist_historiography

http://historum.com/asian-history/8...zation-theory-6.html#post2101595?postcount=52

Lets see what real non-nationalist Korean historians themselves said, in books published at well known western universities, about Korean nationalist historians. Oh wait, is someone going to claim they are Chinese in disguise?

Title: Constructing "Korean" Origins: A Critical Review of Archaeology, Historiography, and Racial Myth in Korean State-formation Theories

Author Hyung Il Pai

Publisher Harvard Univ Asia Center, 2000

https://books.google.com/books?id=QxztLeLoVkQC

In this wide-ranging study, Hyung Il Pai examines how archaeological finds from throughout Northeast Asia have been used in Korea to construct a myth of state formation. This myth emphasizes the ancient development of a pure Korean race that created a civilization rivaling those of China and Japan and a unified state controlling a wide area in Asia.

Through a new analysis of the archaeological data, Pai shows that the Korean state was in fact formed much later and that it reflected diverse influences from throughout Northern Asia, particularly the material culture of Han China. Her deconstruction of the uses of the archaeological finds by nationalistic historians reveals how they have been utilized to legitimate Korean nationalism and a particular form of national identity.
https://books.google.com/books?id=QxztLeLoVkQC&pg=PA250#v=onepage&q&f=false

Today, the Neolithic era is widely cited as the formative age of the Korean community over 5,000 years ago with the ancestor Tan'gun. The national holiday of Creation Day reinforces the nationalist historians' claim of the prehistoric existence of an "independent Korean era. However, there was nothing "independent" about the whole process, for the Tan'gi was calculated from legendary references to ancient China in order to arrive at the absolute date of 2333 B.C. So, here is the first dilemma in Korean myth-making: for Korea's beginning to be as early as the Shang, there was no recourse but to rely on the traditional date for Kija's arrival in China. This dating dilemma was resolved by the continuing attempt (Yi Chong-uk 1993) to mask Kija's "Chinese" identity in postcolonial times as he was reincarnated as a Choson/Tongi ancestor to eliminate any "foreign" cultural influence. To historicize "Korea" in antiquity, the mythologizers had to rely on a "Chinese" calendar, thereby perpetuating the 1,500-year-old tradition dating to Silla times, when as rulers of a model tributary nation (Jamieson 1969) kings had calculated teir reign dates from those of Tang emperors. This imperial restrictions ironically continues to propagate the traditional mode of reckoning time, which lasted until King Kojong announced his own reignname of Kwangmu in 1897. And so, today, even in the era of independence, the Tan'gi calendar is still based on a mythical "Chinese" framework.
https://books.google.com/books?id=QxztLeLoVkQC&pg=PA251#v=onepage&q&f=false

In terms of spatial orientation, Manchuria, and specifically Mount Paektusan (Changbai shan), is widely acknowledged as the birthplace of the Korean community. At present, the territory of the earliest Kochoson state in the second millennium B.C. is said to range east from the Shandong peninsula, north to the Amur, and west to the Korean peninsula. However, as noted in Chapter 2, the association with Manchuria derived from the Japanese concept of Mansenshi and was first articulated in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
https://books.google.com/books?id=QxztLeLoVkQC&pg=PA252#v=onepage&q&f=false

However, at least two centuries before these Japanese pioneers arrived, Manchuria and especially Mount Changbai and vicinity had played a role in Qing founding legends....
https://books.google.com/books?id=QxztLeLoVkQC&pg=PA254#v=onepage&q&f=false

his Pulham theory, proposed over sixty years ago, is stil alive. Thus, he is responsible for immortalizing Tan'gun's Mount Paektu as the source of Korea's shining light, which has emanated throughout the Asian steppes, Manchuria, and Korea. In the early 1930's, Sin Ch'ae-ho also embraced the same region (Schmid 1997) and reclaimed it for Koreans as the conquest route of Tan'gun Choson.......Thus, during the critical period of the 1930s, both Tan'gun experts were living in the colonial Japanese Manchurian state........Even today, legitimacy battles in both Koreas are played out over ancestral myths, be it Tan'gun or the Kims' dynastic claims, of the same "imagined homelands" in Manchuria.

This affairms my opinion that Manchuria played no part in the Korean nationalist imagination till colonial times despite innumerable Kochoson and Palhae (Bohai) aficionados' claims to the contrary.

The contested nature of ancestral territorial claims to Manchuria that began with seventeenth-century Manchu origin myths continued in nine-teenth century Japanese colonial racial theories......Fifty years later, they were followed by the communist chuch'e sucession myth of the Kims.
The Pulham theory

https://books.google.com/books?id=QxztLeLoVkQC&pg=PA68#v=onepage&q&f=false

Ch'oe's third approach to Tan'gun applied a world cultural comparative approach to the formulation of his most important contribution to Korean historiography,18 the theory of "Pulham."19 This theory proposed that Tangun was the source and center of all East Asian civilizations......Ch'oe relied mostly on what he called linguistic evidence of place-names with syllables similar in sound to the adjective palg, the root for "light" or "brightness" in Korean. Ch'oe's examples....include the Balkan peninsula, Ferghana and Bukhara in TRansoxiana, and the Pamir mountains, the river Volga, and the state of Bulgaria........Ch'oe concluded that peoples such as the Mongols, the Turks, and the Japanese, who had once occupied the wide geographical area from Paektusan to the Balkans must have also shared customs, language, religions,and social institutions with the Koreans and therefore should rightly be incorporated into his "Pulham cultural sphere"
Title Ethnic Nationalism in Korea: Genealogy, Politics, and Legacy

Author Gi-Wook Shin

Publisher Stanford University Press, 2006

https://books.google.com/books?id=nNc2AzJmwPoC

This book explains the roots, politics, and legacy of Korean ethnic nationalism, which is based on the sense of a shared bloodline and ancestry. Belief in a racially distinct and ethnically homogeneous nation is widely shared on both sides of the Korean peninsula, although some scholars believe it is a myth with little historical basis. Finding both positions problematic and treating identity formation as a social and historical construct that has crucial behavioral consequences, this book examines how such a blood-based notion has become a dominant source of Korean identity, overriding other forms of identity in the modern era. It also looks at how the politics of national identity have played out in various contexts in Korea: semicolonialism, civil war, authoritarian politics, democratization, territorial division, and globalization.
https://books.google.com/books?id=nNc2AzJmwPoC&pg=PA52#v=onepage&q&f=false

Yet, Korean nationalists did not simply stress distinctiveness of the Korean nation. Some reversed the colonialist logic of a common East Asian heritage and presented a different, Korea-centered view.......Ch'oe Namson's "Pulham Munhwaron"....represented that vew, derivative, pan-Asian version of Korean nationalist thought...........Ch'oe claimed that Pak had spread through a large part of Eurasia from the Black Sea through the Casptian Sea, Tienshan, and the Altai Mountains down to Korea, Japan, and Okinawa.
https://books.google.com/books?id=nNc2AzJmwPoC&pg=PA54#v=onepage&q&f=false

Kwon Tokkyu wrote a controversial article on November 1926 in Tongkwang, arguing, "Chinese culture was born in Korea." Calling China, china, a term that Japanese used to downgrade China's status from the center of civilization to a mere country, he claimed that Chinese civilizaton was far behind Korea's, and that China had to import civilizaton from Korea........Also according to Kwon, Koreans.......were the first people in the world to create language. He asserted, "It is a historical fact that culture flowed from Korea to China in ancient times" (T. Kwon 1926, 94)
3. 영국인의 선조는 한국인 (Koreans are the Ancesters of English People)

https://web.archive.org/web/20010424221455/http://myhome.shinbiro.com/~kbyon/culture/sanggo.htm


While Korean nationalists were busy trying to aggrandize their past and claim Koreans were the origin of world culture, Chinese people in China belonging to Yigupai (Doubting Antiquity School) were openly attacking and doubting ancient Chinese history, claiming that the ancient classics and ancient Chinese histories were fakes and none of it happened and that the Shang didn't exist.

And it turns out they were wrong- western scholars pointed out that these Yigupai people were proven wrong by archeological evidence. When Oracle bone records were deciphered, they prove that the ancient Chinese classics and histories were largely correct and real and Shang dynasty was real.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubting_Antiquity_School#Criticism

Chinese History: A Manual - Endymion Porter Wilkinson - Google Books

Oracle Bone

Early Chinese Religion: Part One: Shang Through Han (1250 BC-220 AD) (2 Vols) - Google Books
 
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unity is a fool ,racist and nationists. upper contents from his source do not relate to my talk and Korean nationism in Korea now. I do not know what you talk to me. There are no Na se jin. He keep Korean nationism from modern period again. He just search for google books for his masterbation. I doubt him read all things. He has always acted it when in discussion. It irritates every members. Children having 5 years old can search google books. Anyway, I did not insist that Shang is Korean history. Any Korean in here did not claim that Shang is Korean history also. Fake Korean in here are mostly chinese. Some of Chinese are dull fellow like Yummi who spread online attack in Youtube. Especially Needastability is chinese playing Korean. He spread lies

Check his needstability's comments




Chinese's propoganda lying Korean and Korean history have long history, Moverover, Chinese Media by chinese government made it and spread in China and in the world.



Check this article



National sentiment controlled by rumors | ChinaHush



Chinese said that Korean insisted some historical chinese were Korean, and Chinese's achivement were from Korea and Korean bra bra. But Most things are fake

Korean think that Chinese and china are inferior and no value to have them now. As I proved that Korea is not Confucious country and despises china and chinese. Whatever chinese said, Korean understand because chinese are uncivilizationed.


Korean look down chinese's Korean rumor series

중국역사의 어두운 그림자(The shadow from dark history of China)

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Korean are laughing at this situation.



Chinese have insisted and criticised Korean nationism. But they misunderstand between Korean nationism and Hwandangogi which are fake religious groups or Turanism and Hwandangogi. I repeated it again and again to chinese. But Chinese keep this wrong information.



If you want to know contents of real Korean nationism or ask Korean nationists in Korean nationist site



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You can check it and You can ask everything to Korean nationalists in english.

Chinese rush about Korean nationalism and fake chinese history and culture by Western academy. But Western academies also criticize and sometimes feel serious that. I found "Chinese nationalism" in google book as unity's style.

Chinese nationalism have long history along with Korea and Japan

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2950028?sid=21106167352543&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=3738392&uid=70&uid=4

Chinese nationalism has serious problem. That is maintained by Chinese government unlike Korea and Japan. Chinese in abroad and chinese brainwashed by fake propaganda and history from chinese communists pollute in the internet thoughout the world.

Online Chinese Nationalism and China's Bilateral Relations by simon shen, Shaun Breslin

https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=zkv7aolAI2cC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Chinese+nationalism&hl=ko&sa=X&ei=UIsKVcm6H-XCmAX6xoLwAg&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Chinese%20nationalism&f=false

Discovering Chinese Nationalism in China: Modernization, Identity, and International Relations by Yongnian Zheng.

https://books.google.co.kr/books?id...AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Chinese nationalism&f=false

Staging the World: Chinese Nationalism at the Turn of the Twentieth Century by Rebecca E. kal

https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=OJ0vYhH5a7wC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Chinese+nationalism&hl=ko&sa=X&ei=UIsKVcm6H-XCmAX6xoLwAg&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Chinese%20nationalism&f=false

Chinese Nationalism in Perspective: Historical and Recent Cases by C. X. George Wei,Xiaoyuan Liu

https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=_9hzJfyZjEMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Chinese+nationalism&hl=ko&sa=X&ei=UIsKVcm6H-XCmAX6xoLwAg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Chinese%20nationalism&f=false

Chinese nationalism by Jonathan Unger, Geremie Barmé

https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=aLbaAAAAMAAJ&q=Chinese+nationalism&dq=Chinese+nationalism&hl=ko&sa=X&ei=UIsKVcm6H-XCmAX6xoLwAg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwBQ

China Inside Out: Contemporary Chinese Nationalism and Transnationalism by Pál Nyíri,Joana Breidenbach

https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=icZJJN0wYPcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Chinese+nationalism&hl=ko&sa=X&ei=UIsKVcm6H-XCmAX6xoLwAg&ved=0CDMQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Chinese%20nationalism&f=false

Taiwan and Chinese Nationalism: National Identity and Status international society by Christopher Hughes

https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=fVX2aAuOt1EC&pg=PR1&dq=Chinese+nationalism&hl=ko&sa=X&ei=UIsKVcm6H-XCmAX6xoLwAg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Chinese%20nationalism&f=false

Construction of Chinese Nationalism in the Early 21st Century by Suisheng Zhao

There are so many books in google books

Chinese nationalism threats neighbours and makes bad relationship with all country in the world. For example, Chinese insists that Vietnam and Japan’s island is chinese territory.

http://www.cfr.org/china/nationalism-china/p16079

http://thediplomat.com/2014/11/a-glimpse-into-chinese-nationalism/


The world worry about chinese nationalism and chinese’s fake history concept.

http://www.nbr.org/research/activity.aspx?id=258

http://chinaperspectives.revues.org/2793

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB120701186550979029



Serious problem of chinese nationalism is that is growing among chinese in now

http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/china-not-full-raging-nationalists-10217


Chinese government fabricated neighbour’s history as national project, For example, Korean case, “Northeast Project of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences”

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Project_of_the_Chinese_Academy_of_Social_Sciences"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Project_of_the_Chinese_Academy_of_Social_Sciences[/ame]


Chinese history and cultures insisted by chinese themselves in western countries is not accepted the fact in Western countries. This good situation is growing in the world. For example “Kick off confucius constitution in the Western universities”
Confucius Institute "Kicked Out" from University of Chicago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORtt9R0w7sg



Swedish university severs ties with Confucius Institute
Sweden’s Stockholm University will end its partnership with the Chinese government-funded Confucius Institute, the school said.
Educational institutions in the US and Canada made similar moves last year, citing concerns about foreign interference in academic freedom.
The university said it decided against extending the agreement with the Stockholm Confucius Institute when it came up for renewal at the end of last year. The institute, the first to be established in Europe, will close on June 30, the school said.

http://en.newhub.shafaqna.com/CN/146486-Swedish-university-severs-ties-with-Confucius-Institute


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/education/mcmaster-closing-confucius-institute-over-hiring-issues/article8372894/

Toronto schools reject tie-up with China's Confucius Institute

http://www.worldbulletin.net/haber/147360/toronto-schools-reject-tie-up-with-chinas-confucius-institute

Lastly. Unity insist that Korean said that Korean was England’s ancestors. It is not true. English=Anglo-Saxon were from Demark and Dutch. It is very true knowledge.

Check it the Britain history in Korean Wiki

http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%9E%89%EA%B8%80%EB%9E%9C%EB%93%9C%EC%9D%98_%EC%97%AD%EC%82%AC
 
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Jun 2013
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Almost all sources AltaicKorean listed on "Chinese nationalism", are not on ancient history, but about Chinese people's attitudes towards neighbors because of modern issues like territorial disputes.

Entire chapters of the book on "Online Chinese nationalism" are devoted towards Chinese nationalistic attitudes against Japan because of WW2 and the islands disputes, and has zero to do with revising ancient history.

https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=zkv7aolAI2cC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Chinese+nationalism&hl=ko&sa=X&ei=UIsKVcm6H-XCmAX6xoLwAg&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Chinese%20nationalism&f=false

Same thing with the book on Chinese nationalism and modernity. Its almost entirely about Chinese nationalistic attitudes towards the west, nothing to do with China revising ancient history.

https://books.google.co.kr/books?id...AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Chinese nationalism&f=false


Same thing with Confucius institute. Confucius institutes are accused of potentially censoring criticism of the Communist party on Univerisities relating to modern issues (Tiananmen Square, Dalai Lama, Tibet, Falun Gong, human rights in China), not because of ancient historical revisionism on Chinese history before the founding of the Republic of China in 1912.


"Chinese nationalism" as these scholars describe is almost entirely focused on modern issues and disputes, militarism, western imperialism, and not revising ancient history unlike Koreans.



I mentioned nothing in my post about Confucius. I posted about the Pulham theory which has nothing to do with China or Chinese culture, Pulham theory is Koreans claiming that Turks, Mongols, and Japanese all derive from Korean "Pulham" culture and that Pulham culture stretched all the way from the Balkans to Korea. There is absolutely zero in my post about Hwandangogi in my post and AltaicKorean is pulling out these straw man garbage claims which I didni't use at all.

Also I mentioned Koreans revising ancient history to claim Changbaishan (Mt baekdu) and Manchuria as their sacred homeland to claim those lands for Korea, which has nothing to do with claiming Chinese culture and civilization. Its about Korean nationalists who fantasize about taking over Manchuria and claiming that "baekdu" has been their sacred mountain for thousands of years.


Koreans also openly boast and claim that their civilizaiton is over 4,000 years and founded by Dangun (Tan'gun) in 2333 BC. No western historian accepts this trash claim, but Koreans themselves say it even in English to foreigners. (they won't dare say trash like Pulham theory to foreigners because they would immediately look like fools) This kind of garbage is even taught to Taekwondo students. My post noted about Korean's using fake dates to calculate when this fictional Dangun supposedly founded Korean civilization.

http://english.visitkorea.or.kr/enu/AK/AK_EN_1_4_2.jsp



As for islands, western historians say that China claimed the Spratly islands before Vietnam and that the British found Chinese fishermen there in the 1870's, not Vietnamese.

http://books.google.com/books?id=taOrjN83rLEC&pg=PA124#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=83BIxG7Ig2cC&pg=PA74#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=szcywfgKySAC&pg=PA92#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/561209/Spratly-Islands


http://books.google.com/books?id=rfu-hR8msh4C&pg=PA180#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=CNVf9R_L5FAC&pg=PA9#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=9VrMXX3CgBMC&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
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#55
Chinese tried to steal Silla Korean history excepting Koguyeo history

Let look it chinese sites about ancient Korean kingdom history

Chinese scholars insisted Silla was founded Chou people in 2004


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Read the things you quote before embarrassing yourself.

The "Scholar" was a Miao claiming that Miao and Koreans are related to each other and that the Chu Kingdom in southern China was Miao, and Chu and Koreans were linked. He specializes at a university in southern ethnic minorities (中南民族大学南方少数民族研究中心), like Miao people. The scholar is not Han and not talking about Han people. There is no Han scholar claiming Koreans are descended from "Chou" assuming you mispelled Chu or Zhou.

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Its common knowledge that Miao make up claims trying to link themselves to Dongyi and Chiyou and claim that the Chu Kingdom is theirs. There are many Miao accounts like on Chinahistoryforum like Chubby Prince of Chu and niam txiv on Youtube who try to link Miao and Koreans.

http://hmongstudies.org/YangHSJ10.pdf


The dispute over Northeast history, Balhae and Goguryeo is about Manchu's ancestors (Tungusic Mohe), nobody in China claimed that they are Han people.


Unlike China, Korea now has only one ethnicity and all the nationalists in Korea revising history are Koreans.
 
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#57
Read the things you quote before embarrassing yourself.

The "Scholar" was a Miao claiming that Miao and Koreans are related to each other and that the Chu Kingdom in southern China was Miao, and Chu and Koreans were linked. He specializes at a university in southern ethnic minorities (中南民族大学南方少数民族研究中心), like Miao people. The scholar is not Han and not talking about Han people.

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Its common knowledge that Miao make up claims trying to link themselves to Dongyi and Chiyou. There are many Miao accounts like on Chinahistoryofrum and niam txiv who try to link Miao and Koreans.

http://hmongstudies.org/YangHSJ10.pdf
All East Asians all linked within a timeframe of about 8000 years before present. It's really just a matter of how close or how far back.
 
#58
[FONT=&#54632]In here, Chinese nationalists have insisted Korean nationalism are groundless and ridiculous opinion. But What about chinese nationalism? Chinese nationalism is more ridiculous and racism. it also was started from Morden time. Chinese criticize Tangun and Gojoseon. But Chinese nationalsim represent “Yellow race” “Yellow emperor” and Chinese origin of Aryan race and White. Let us see Chinese nationalism. They are same with Nazism. Unity is lying and insulting all Asian. I refute his lies. Chinese nationalism underlines pure blood racism[/FONT]

[FONT=&#54632]Chinese communism is based on Chinese nationalism. Mao insisted that Yellow emperor as symbol of China. [/FONT]

[FONT=&#54632]https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=RdMyAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA62&dq=yellow+emperor+Chinese+nationalism&hl=ko&sa=X&ei=yaIKVYr_PIal8QXz24EY&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA[/FONT][FONT=&#54632]#[/FONT]


[FONT=&#54632]saluting the yellow Emperor: A case of Swedish sinography by Perri Johansson[/FONT]



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Lacking the symbolic unifying role Mao played for the Chinese nation, the yellow Emperor re-emerged onto the national scene, replacing communist ideology with that of nationalism. The mythical ancestor of all Chinese people(at least those of the Han race) was the patriotic symbol of the very same Nationalist Party Mao fought against with guns and reason. [/FONT][FONT=&#54632]Chinese nationalists of the Republic based a racist ideology on the Yellow Emperor, making that symbol into a real biological ancestor of every living Han chinese, to the exclusion of other people in the Chinese Empire(P218)
[FONT=&#54632]This books is about chinese nationalism history.[/FONT]

[FONT=&#54632]https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=upZAGbGmneMC&pg=PA116&dq=yellow+emperor+Chinese+nationalism&hl=ko&sa=X&ei=yaIKVYr_PIal8QXz24EY&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=yellow%20emperor%20Chinese%20nationalism&f=false[/FONT]


[FONT=&#54632]The Discourse of Race in Modern China by Frank Dikotter[/FONT]

[FONT=&#54632]Chinese nationalism based on racism which call as “Yellow people” [/FONT]

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Race as nation was a conceptual extension of race as lineage Minsu, or ‘nation’, ‘integrated both the notion of people(min) and the fiction of descent(zu). The reformers first conceptualized mizu in 1904 in an attempt to find a political rationale for state. ’Nation’ meant a lineage that shared a territory and an ancestor; it was both an organic and a corporate unit. The reformers ‘ definition of nation’ was opposed to the that the revolutionaries; whereas the former promoted a [/FONT][FONT=&#54632]‘greater nationalism(da minzuzhuyi) which include all ’yellow people’ dwelling on the soil of empire, the latter nation focused on the ‘Han descendants of the “Yellow Emperor“. The reformers still hoped to preserve Confucius and the emperor[/FONT][FONT=&#54632](p97)
[FONT=&#54632]Revolutionary Zou Rong insisted that Han chinese were pure people which were from descendant of Yellow Emperor.[/FONT]

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The young revolutionary Zou Rong also regretted the absense of a strong ‘ racial consciousness’ (Zhongxing) in China capable of uniting the people in their struggle against the oppressors. Zou Rong greeted the ‘peasants with weatherbeaten face and mudcaked hands and feet’ as his genuine countrymen, [/FONT][FONT=&#54632]the proud descendants of the Yellow Emperor. Race was the catalyst of group homogeneity; it created clear boundaries by bilnding the ingroup and distanceing the outgroup; ‘ when men love their race, solidarity will arise internally, and what is outside wil be repelled.(p117-p118)
[FONT=&#54632]Chinese in here insisted that Manchus was china history and chinese. but a Chinese nationist like Zou Rong thought Manchus were oppressors from outside. He said that Manchus should be kicked off from Chinese who were descendant of Yellow Emperor. Moverover, Chinese distinguished themselves from Altaic People.[/FONT]


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The Manchus were to be excluded from the unsulled Han race; ‘What you, fellow countrymen, today call count, government or emperor are what[/FONT][FONT=&#54632]we once called barbarian(of North, South, East or West), Hsiung-nu or Tatars. These tribes living beyond Shankaikuan, were not by origin of the same race as the illustrarious descendant of our Yellow Emperor. Their land is foul land, they are of furry race, their heart are beat’s hearts, their customs are th customs of the users of wool, their writing is different from ours, and Their clothes are different from ours. Classification anssentuated the original differences between the Han and the Manchus. Zou divided the yellow race into two main branches,[/FONT][FONT=&#54632]“the races of China”, including the Han, the Tibetian and the Cochinese races; and the “race of Siberian”, composed of the Mongolian, the Tungus and Turkic People. The principal enemy was the ‘White race’[/FONT][FONT=&#54632](p118)
[FONT=&#54632]Chinese nationalists accepted the concept that their origin were from White race[/FONT]

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The nationalist had divergent interpretations of the origin of the human species. Liu Yazi, for instance, believed that racial difference corresponded to various origins of Mankind. Most, however, portrayed the Yellow Emperior as the progenitor of the Han race. One particular line of thought associated the Yellow Emperor with Westerners. [/FONT][FONT=&#54632]The National Essence circle borrowed extensively from the historian Terrien de Lacouperie to corroborate the belief in a common origin between Westerners and Chinese.......... For the National Essense group the Yellow Emperor represented the Chinese race, but it was underlined that “ the race did not started with the Yellow Emperor. Huang Jie introduced Lacouperie in his ‘Yellow History” and indentified the Yellow Emperor as the father of the race, an offshoot of Western Stock.[/FONT][FONT=&#54632](p121)
[FONT=&#54632]Wei-Jucian who is a chinese professor insisted Chinese discovered America and he even insisted that ancient chinese related with The white people. He insisted current chinese is mixing with South chinese natives, which means that mixing polluted Yellow Emperor.[/FONT]

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Wei-Jucian, for instance, Published an important article in the journal “Forwards” on the origins of the Han race. Wei was born in 1898, was attached to the Beijing Normal University in Shanghai in 1933. He hand numerous official positions and was considered a specialist in the convervation of antiquities. [/FONT][FONT=&#54632]After the communist takeover in 1949 he moved to Taiwan, Where he distinguished himself by writing a study on the Chinese discovery of America and a work on anthropology.[/FONT][FONT=&#54632]In his 1933 article, [/FONT][FONT=&#54632]Wei identified the Xia as the genuine descendants of the Yellow Emperor. The Xia race’s physical appearance, language, customs and clothes are all similar to those of the Aryan race, of which those who are heavily beared are Caucasians. T[/FONT][FONT=&#54632]he Yin descended from the Emperior Yan and hand intermarried with the Xia to generate the Han race. Wei situated the Xia’s original homeland in the Caucasus; they were a white and pure race. The Yin were red barbarians from an area of China not known as Suchuan Province. The mixing of white and red had given birth to the yellow Han. Wei Juxian maintained the myth of purity by locating the source of polluting in an alien group: [/FONT][FONT=&#54632]Southen barbarians had undermined the original purity of the divine descendants of Yellow Emperor. [/FONT]
[FONT=&#54632]Chinese Scientists of international repute were also in search of purity. Li Chi published “ The formation of the Chinese people” (p132)
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[FONT=&#54632]But Chinese nationalism is serious problem itself. Sun Yat sen who was a founder of modern China, claimed so-far racism like Fascist’s instance.[/FONT]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen

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Sun Yatsen(1866-1925) was considered the leader of the Republic revolution in 1911. The principle of racial nationalism embodied the discourse of race as lineage as well as discourse of race as nation. Sun’s principle of racial nationalism rested on the idea of “racial solidarity’. Raising the spectre of racial extinction. ”Sun yat-sen“ made his appeal to an emerging national consciousness, strongest in its racial form of prejudice against foreigners; he appeared also to fear. [/FONT][FONT=&#54632]Sun’s claim that only nationalism could foretall racial destruction was belief be shared with other reformers and revoultuonaries, including the Italian fascists. Both used a standard biological conception of race, perceived the country’s population as the strength of the race, and rejected individualism and cosmopolitanism as inmical to the survival of the nation-race. Sun Yatsen, In common with most reformers and radical students, portrayed the Han as a pure biological entity;[/FONT]
[FONT=&#54632]Considering the law of survival of anceint and modern races, If we want to save China and to preserve the Chinese race, we must certainly promote Nationalism. To make this principle luminour for China’s salvation, We must fist understand it clearly. The Chinese race totals four hundred million people; of mingled races there are only a few million Tibetans, and over a milliion Mohammedan Turks. There alien races do not number altogether more than ten million, so that, For the most part, the Chinese people are of the Han or Chinese race with common blood, common language, common religion, and common customs- a single, pure race.[/FONT]

[FONT=&#54632]Sun’s world view-one shared by many political activists in China was dominated by the idea of confrontation [/FONT][FONT=&#54632]between the yellow and the white race([/FONT][FONT=&#54632]p123-p124)
[FONT=&#54632]Chinese nationalists themselves defined both chinese race and English are civilized people in the world. That is really biased view on the mankind.[/FONT]


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Higher spheres of academic research also toyed with the concept of skin colour. Zhu xi, professior at Sun Yatsen university in Canton and a specialist in the field of articicial parthenogenesis in chinese frogs, Published a study on the ancestry of Mankind. He distinguished ten shades of Skin colour; pure white(no example was given), yellow, deep brown, black and pure yellow, divided mankind into three stages of civilization. The lowest stage was reserved for the Shengfan, or “raw’ barbarians; they fed on raw meat, blood, grass and roots and dwelt in the dark forests of the mountains. These raw barbarians were coated with thick hair a feature that betrayed the beast. Gong reproduced Chen Yinghuang’s drawing of the ‘drawing of the dwarf slave’ by way of illustration. ”Cooked“ barbarians attained the second level of evolution. T[/FONT][FONT=&#54632]he final stage was civilization. English and Chinese had patches of body hair only on the chest and on the legs. In his Evolution of organism, Zhu weiji also asserted that yellows and whites alone had attained the level of civilization.(p139-p140)
Keep fantastic Chinese nationalism opinions
 
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Unity is lying about Korean and their nationalism history. Chinese nationalism history has long history than Korean nationalism. and They stressed racism against the White.

Keep Chinese ridiculous insistances thoughout their modern history.

[FONT=&#54632]https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=0ZgRtzGLG_oC&pg=PA31&dq=yellow+emperor+Chinese+nationalism&hl=ko&sa=X&ei=KLkKVcPxFYXHmAW-poKwDw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=yellow%20emperor%20Chinese%20nationalism&f=false[/FONT]

[FONT=&#54632]The Chinese National Character: From Nationhood to Individuality by Lung-Kee Sun[/FONT]

Chinese nationists insisted that Pan-Asianism and Yellow race.

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Kang Youwei and Liang Qichao insisted Pan-Asianist or yellow people. They must claim that A struggle between the white and Yellow races including Japan and Korea(p13)
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[FONT=&#54632]Liang insisted that Yellow people were from Yellow Emperor and Japanese were from Yellow people[/FONT]


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Liang and chinese reformists party’s ecumenism faded, Yellow racialism begun to loom large in their minds. Kang in his founding statement of the Emperor protection society “Our China(zhongguo) is not the name of country, it is a racial branch of the Yellow Emperor’s divine proveny and all we yellow race belong to it”(p14) The Japanese belonged to the same yellow race, He conceded, yey they needed no “preservation from us”(p17)
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[FONT=&#54632]A Chinese nationalist Jiang Guanyun, even “Yellow emperor was a Turanian” and another chinese scholars thought that they were from the western.[/FONT]

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Jiang Guanyun, Who subscribed to the theory, preferred to believe that the Yellow Emperor’s tribe was purely Turanian(i,e.Asiatic“ (Guanyun 1903,7). Nothetheless, the common origins of china and the west bolstered. The sentiments of a yellow-white condominium. Besides Jian Guanyun. others Who warmly received Lacouperie’s theory were Zhang Taiyan, Huang Jie, and Song Jiaoren, whereas Liang Qicao and Liu Shipei uphled a modified ”Western origin“ version that Chinese race came from the Pamir(p31)
 
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AltaicKorean keeps on proving my point-

Westerners like Terrien de Lacouperie claimed that the west was the origin of all civilization, and that all other advanced civilizations in antiquity like Chinese were created by western caucasians who migrated east to China and brought civilization. They claimed Huangdi was a caucasian Aryan and did not look like modern Chinese.

Chinese adopting western ideas about China's origins and claiming that Chinese civilization is an offshoot of whites and western civilization, is the exact opposite of arrogant and conceited Korean nationalists claiming Korea is the origin of all human civilization, that the first civilized people were Koreans, and everyone else is an offshoot of Korea. Korean nationalists claimed that the Balkan Europeans originated from Korean Pulham culture and think Korean language was the first language.

And if people want to calculate fake dates for Dangun, use your own calendar and don't try to backdate his fake founding of Gojoseon through historical events in the Chinese calendar.
 
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