Why did Queen Isabella Of Spain Hate Jewish People? Did She Underlining Reason? Was It Because They Weren't Catholic Like She Was?

antocya

Ad Honorem
May 2012
5,688
Iraq
#11
I remember reading something which said the Pope at the time thought it was strange Isabela was so severe with the Jews and Europeans weren’t always that strongly intolerant.

Did the Spanish at the time accuse the Jews of formerly collaborating with the Muslims?
 
Nov 2010
7,266
Cornwall
#12
I remember reading something which said the Pope at the time thought it was strange Isabela was so severe with the Jews and Europeans weren’t always that strongly intolerant.

Did the Spanish at the time accuse the Jews of formerly collaborating with the Muslims?
That's a sort of Macro scale argument worthy of 19th century onwards. Everybody collaborated with muslim kingdoms, it was part of life - Chritian kingdoms spent much of their effort warring with each other. Most views of medieval 'Spain' are very clouded by later nonsense about Reconquista and the whole crusading thing which was of course invented about 400 years after muslim kingdoms appeared in Hispania

Pope's are odd beasts - the policy of one may well be in stark contrast to the next - I think sometimes they did it deliberately. Ranging from everybody getting on to extermination of anybody not a good Catholic. One Pope actually sent an embassy to the Almohad Empire - quite revolutionary really. Until the next Caliph came along and threw them out. Again another Pope had trade alliances with North Africa yet at the expense one of the Christian kingdoms.

But generally they liked to cause war and death!
 
Likes: Tulius
Jan 2010
4,130
Atlanta, Georgia USA
#13
A question with a complicated answer, though it could be summed up as:

1: Jews, until recently, were a people without a land. This meant that they had to live wherever they were welcome (or not so welcome).

2: Because of Jewish culture and history, Jews have remained largely unassimilated wherever they lived. On one hand it has been a very successful strategy. (Where are the Visigoths or the Gauls today?) On the other hand it was a strategy that marked them as outsiders and foreigners.

3: Because of their status as outsiders, as well as cultural and inheritable factors, Jews tended to make a living in intellectual professions such as moneylending and trading. This meant that they were easily accused of usury and exploitation. In the Czars Russia, Jews were journalism, business and medicine were a cause of criticism.
Good answer. . And as to 3, because Jews engaged in trade and banking but did not (could not) acquire real estate, they were lucrative and easy targets when the king or queen needed to lay hands on some ready cash. That is a theme all over western Europe.
 
Jan 2014
28
poio
#14
the queen had friends Jews and protected them. at that time, there were many violent moments against the Jews by the usury, another problem is that the people of the time in Spain knew that the Jews were the main responsibles of the Muslim invasion in 711. the other problem was blood libels. thanks to the Spanish inquisition was managed to stop a possible massacre of Jews, and a cultural unit was achieved. In addition most Jews stayed on the peninsula. the Catholic queen was very humanistic, she was the first queen to ban slavery in the history, but she had to be firm on this issue and the only solution was the inquisition ("Advised by fernando", He was the great strategist of the couple )and she was right, prevented a massacre that could happen against the Jews at any time, and kept them from financing enemies of his kingdom.
 
Nov 2010
7,266
Cornwall
#16
the queen had friends Jews and protected them. at that time, there were many violent moments against the Jews by the usury, another problem is that the people of the time in Spain knew that the Jews were the main responsibles of the Muslim invasion in 711. the other problem was blood libels. thanks to the Spanish inquisition was managed to stop a possible massacre of Jews, and a cultural unit was achieved. In addition most Jews stayed on the peninsula. the Catholic queen was very humanistic, she was the first queen to ban slavery in the history, but she had to be firm on this issue and the only solution was the inquisition ("Advised by fernando", He was the great strategist of the couple )and she was right, prevented a massacre that could happen against the Jews at any time, and kept them from financing enemies of his kingdom.
Lets not lose sight of the fact that Ferdinand created the Spanish Inquisition and gave jews the ultimatum of 1492. It was all tied up in the internal politics as I mentioned in an earlier post. Not much good saying 'we are sorry someone has made jews illegal but we'll help you all we can'!

As for this statement:

....the people of the time in Spain knew that the Jews were the main responsibles of the Muslim invasion in 711

Not sure about that at all though it is certainly a possible factor. Jews had been severely persecuted during the last 100 years of the Visgothic kingdom, with ever more rabid laws being passed, the last being by Egica at the end of the 7th century. At the Toledo Synod Egica justified this by saying the jews were in league with arabic forces moving across North Africa in a plot to take over the Visigothic kingdom. This may just have been true, but more likely just justification for ever more severe laws which obviously created an ever-more ready ally for the muslims. And we do know they aided in administartion and garrison, specifically in Granada after 711. It is probable the original Visigothic persecution of jews was down to the aid provided to the Sassenids during their conquest of the Byzantine Holy Land, and massacres associated with it.

As for responsibility - first and second will be arabs/Musa and then rebel Visigoths including the ruler of Ceuta.

As for the 'people of Spain' - your average Galician farmer would not very likely think that. It assumes that 'Reconquista' was some vast organised plan, which it wasn't. It's what we now call the process of the growth and expansion of Christian kingdoms at the expense both of each other and of muslim kingdoms
 
Jan 2014
28
poio
#17
Lets not lose sight of the fact that Ferdinand created the Spanish Inquisition and gave jews the ultimatum of 1492. It was all tied up in the internal politics as I mentioned in an earlier post. Not much good saying 'we are sorry someone has made jews illegal but we'll help you all we can'!

As for this statement:

....the people of the time in Spain knew that the Jews were the main responsibles of the Muslim invasion in 711

Not sure about that at all though it is certainly a possible factor. Jews had been severely persecuted during the last 100 years of the Visgothic kingdom, with ever more rabid laws being passed, the last being by Egica at the end of the 7th century. At the Toledo Synod Egica justified this by saying the jews were in league with arabic forces moving across North Africa in a plot to take over the Visigothic kingdom. This may just have been true, but more likely just justification for ever more severe laws which obviously created an ever-more ready ally for the muslims. And we do know they aided in administartion and garrison, specifically in Granada after 711. It is probable the original Visigothic persecution of jews was down to the aid provided to the Sassenids during their conquest of the Byzantine Holy Land, and massacres associated with it.

As for responsibility - first and second will be arabs/Musa and then rebel Visigoths including the ruler of Ceuta.

As for the 'people of Spain' - your average Galician farmer would not very likely think that. It assumes that 'Reconquista' was some vast organised plan, which it wasn't. It's what we now call the process of the growth and expansion of Christian kingdoms at the expense both of each other and of muslim kingdoms

this blog in Spanish speaks of the Jewish complot to prepare for the Arab invasion, as it is seen there are even Arab sources who speak about the event, and it was a plan that was prepared for a very long time. le blog says they began by becoming very friendly with the Visigoth kings and leading them to a pacifist policy Then they armed the Arabs and prepared the cities to be opened from within or removed their walls, by pacifist politics. It’s scary, it’s a lot like what’s happening in Europe today.
 
Nov 2010
7,266
Cornwall
#19
this blog in Spanish speaks of the Jewish complot to prepare for the Arab invasion, as it is seen there are even Arab sources who speak about the event, and it was a plan that was prepared for a very long time. le blog says they began by becoming very friendly with the Visigoth kings and leading them to a pacifist policy Then they armed the Arabs and prepared the cities to be opened from within or removed their walls, by pacifist politics. It’s scary, it’s a lot like what’s happening in Europe today.
Which blog? I can't see any link

There are several good authors in Spain today about this, most notably the leading Visigodista, Luis A Garcia Moreno. I suggest you have a look at this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/España-702-719-Luis-García-Moreno/dp/8447214699/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1550568385&sr=1-1&keywords=espana+702-719+luis+a+garcia+moreno

Just because someone writes a blog doesn't make it true, especially as they seem to have some sort of agenda. I don't like to be rude but this bit:

"they began by becoming very friendly with the Visigoth kings and leading them to a pacifist policy"

...is complete and utter nonsense in anyones book.

Firstly the oppression and bloodthirstyness of the (Catholic) Visigoths is legendary and beyond any question. Their issues surrounded stagnation, division, disunity, the economy and unpreparedness - probably caused by all of the above. The brutality of their regime over more than 200 years caused a long queue of disaffected people waiting for any sort of saviour. When you bear in mind the 'regime' was only about 10% of the population. This list includes:

Visigoths disenfranchised and/or exiled by the Egica regime - normally their old enemies of the Chindasvinto line
Rebels from other regions - the last decades had all been southern-based power bases ruling
Rebels in Ceuta - base of the invasion and whose ships were used
Slaves and escaped/renegade slaves
'Freemen' who were actually allowed to leave their estates
Hispano-Roman citizens living under the regime - the vast majority
Illegal, impoverished and disenfranchised jews

Secondly - you can check out the Visigothic code, which was added to by each Synod (at the behest of the king). Oppression of the jews started in the early 7th century under Sisebuto (612-621) - an ultimate result of Recaredo's conversion to Catholicism and also the Sassenid invasion of the Holy land, where the jews are said to have particpated in atrocities against Byzantine Christians - the Visigoths and the Byzantines were fellow catholics at this time and not as enemistic as often thought - Leovigildo built the state structure modelled on Byzantium

Anti jewish laws became increasingly more rabid - especially under the ruthlsee dictators like Chindasvinto and later Egica. Egica (687-702) passed the final laws outlawing judaism and all jews were required to convert of leave or be enslaved, or any conbination thereof. Egica made a speech asserting that there was a conspiracy by the jews with the arabs to take over the Visigothic kingdom. Whether he was just using this as justification to remove all jews from the kingdom or whether he had some intelligence to this effect, no one will ever know. Either way, whilst they did gladly aid the invader (ANY invader) in garrison duties, it's hard to beleive they were in anyposition to plot with anyone, with all theri livelihoods and trade routes taken away over the previous 100 years.

The very fact that there were still jews around to aid the invader is a good and glaring example of the inability of the Visigothic state/church/king to enact it's own laws throughout the country (eg aiding jews was punishable by death) which is one of the causes of the kingdom collapsing. Here's a brief summary of Egica's Synod laws

694 CE: Visigoth king enslaves the Jews

It's worth noting that kings like Chindasvinto, Wamba and Egica were very old (I mean VERY) , seemingly bitter and ruthless men. This seemed the only way to get on among the Visigoths - but it can't be the best way to make laws!!
 

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