Why did Slovenia and Croatia want to secede from Yugoslavia instead of reforming Yugoslavia from within?

Futurist

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Why did Slovenia and Croatia want to secede from Yugoslavia instead of reforming Yugoslavia from within? @Maki previously said that these secessions were illegal according to the Yugoslav Constitution--which in turn raises the question of whether Slovenia and Croatia ever seriously considered remaining within Yugoslavia and trying to reform Yugoslavia from within.
 

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BTW, did the 1974 Yugoslav Constitution change Yugoslavia's official policy on secession? The 1963 Yugoslav Constitution appears to permit secession:

Constitution of Yugoslavia (1963) - Wikisource, the free online library.

"The peoples of Yugoslavia, on the basis of the right of every people to self-determination, including the right to secession, on the basis of their common struggle and their will freely declared in the People's Liberation War and Socialist Revolution, and in accord with their historical aspirations, aware that the further consolidation of their brotherhood and unity is to their common interest, have united in a federal republic of free and equal peoples and nationalities and have founded a socialist federal community of working people, the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, in which, in the interests of each people and of all of them together, they are achieving and developing: ..."
 

Maki

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It permitted secession, but not unilateral secession.

Article 5:
The territory of the Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia consists of territories of the socialist republics.

The borders of the Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia cannot be changed without the consent of all republics and autonomous regions.


So, you could secede, but only if all other republics and autonomous regions gave their approval. This didn't happen.
 
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Maki

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I don't think there was any wish among the Slovenian and Croatian leadership to do that. They simply wanted out.
 
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Maki

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Yes, they believed they were not represented well in Yugoslavia. Croatia especially claimed Yugoslavia was just a mask for Greater Serbia.
 
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Futurist

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Understood.

Also, do you think that Yugoslavia would have still eventually imploded and broken up had it not been invaded by the Nazis in 1941?
 

Maki

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Yes. Although Slovene separatism was not really all that present in the 1st Yugoslavia, Croatian separatism was. The situation would have only gotten worse.
 
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Futurist

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What do you think would have happened to Slovenia had Croatia seceded? Would it have been annexed by Italy and/or Austria (or Germany, if Austria already unifies with Germany by that point in time)?

Also, if Croatia secedes, would Italy demand Dalmatia from it--and if necessary, use force to acquire it? I was thinking of some sort of deal where the Italians support Croatian independence in exchange for getting Dalmatia for themselves.

In addition, would Serbia be able to permanently keep the rest of Yugoslavia (as in, other than Slovenia and Croatia) intact in this scenario?
 

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