Why did the Marathas succeed in their mission but Vijayanagar didnt?

Apr 2018
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#92
Maratha empire? Who was the emperor of this empire?
Nominally the line of shivaji, de facto power however varied,peshwa era lasted till 1770s after which the power wasn't Centralized which individuals in different areas taking prominent role in their own respective areas
 
Oct 2015
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India
#93
Marathas: A Worthy Enemy:

"ONE of the most formidable powers opposed to each of the successive invaders of India, has been the Mahratta. Proud, brave, self-reliant, and capable of enduring all manner of hardships, they are a foe always formidable, and never to be turned aside by bribery or threats." - India, by Fannie Roper Feudge. 1903. page-491.

By "invaders" in above sentence is meant Mughals, Portuguese, and British. The above assessment is from 19th century as it appear in this book's editions from 1885 till 1903 at least. It is written by the wife of an American Christian missionary who lived and taught in India.
 
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Aupmanyav

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Jun 2014
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New Delhi, India
#94
It is not that Vijaynagara or Marathas were powerful, it is because 'time' is powerful. Sometimes it sides with one, sometimes with the other.
 
#95
At the peak of their power both the Vijayanagar Empire and Maratha Empire represented the greatest native power in South Asia. The Vijayanagar Empire defeated the Turks and caused the fall of the Bahmani Sultanate at a time when the Turkic people were the most powerful people in the world.
The Maratha Empire defeated the Mughals and destroyed the Portuguese and even defeated the British in the first Anglo-Maratha War.
Both succeeded in their main goals but both collapsed later on when their time came
 
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kandal

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Aug 2015
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USA
#96
At the peak of their power both the Vijayanagar Empire and Maratha Empire represented the greatest native power in South Asia. The Vijayanagar Empire defeated the Turks and caused the fall of the Bahmani Sultanate at a time when the Turkic people were the most powerful people in the world.
The Maratha Empire defeated the Mughals and destroyed the Portuguese and even defeated the British in the first Anglo-Maratha War.
Both succeeded in their main goals but both collapsed later on when their time came
Both Vijayanagar and Marathas won battles, but lost the war.
 

Aupmanyav

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Jun 2014
5,372
New Delhi, India
#98
Both Vijayanagar and Marathas won battles, but lost the war.
Every one has to loose the war in the end. The Greeks, the Romans, Kublais and Ghenghis, the Hitlers and the Tojos, the British and the US. Time is the most powerful (in Hindi - Samay bada balwan).
 
Oct 2015
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India
Colonial Historiography on Marathas:

Changed from 1915 or so:

One key observation about India's colonial historiography is a change in their attitude towards Marathas for the negative somewhere in around 1915. Britishers who had fought or otherwise dealt with Marathas feared & respected them. For example Elphinstone who had fought wars against them. Later, things changed from around 1915. We find VA Smith in Oxford Short History of India using words like 'robbers' for Marathas.

Why this change?

One reason for denigartion of Marathas could be that 1857 Mutiny & War for Independence, half the leadership came from Marathas - Peshwa Nana Sahib, Tatya Tope, Rani Lakshmi Bai. (There were Mughals also - old man Bahadur Shah Zafar and Begun Hazrat Mahal. A couple of Rajputs.) It is this leadership which converted the Mutiny to a War for Indpendence.

There could be other reasons, which you may add.

Effect of the change?

Textbook narratives in colonial India were controlled from institutions like Oxford, so the general theory taught to the "educated" was that Marathas were no good.

I will cite some more pre-1915 scholarship in support of the above point.
 
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