Why did the Marathas succeed in their mission but Vijayanagar didnt?

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Aug 2015
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Most people do not understand the importance of the Vijayanagar Empire because of lack of historical knowledge. The Vijayanagar Empire not only protected southern India for more than 200 years against the Turkic invaders but they were also responsible for protecting ancient Indian knowledge and culture. Indian mathematics collapsed in Northern India after the 12th century because of the Turkic invasion but continued to flourish in Southern India because of the Vijayanagar Empire. The greatest mathematicians of late medieval and modern period came all from southern India. Adding to that many North Indian texts were lost in Northern India and were only rediscovered in Southern India. The great ancient text Arthashastra of the Maurya period was only rediscovered in southern India and many achievements of Northern India like the great mathematician Aryabhata was preserved in Southern India.

This Empire preserved many elements of Indian science, culture and architecture and kept the flag of the Indian people flying high at a time when most people in the world like Persians, Arabs, Eastern Europeans and Central Asian had already surrendered to the Turkic people.
There is no way that this proud Empire called Vijayanagar will ever be forgotten by the Indian people.
Vijayanagar empire preserved the medieval Hindu culture, but the fact remains, that is : Vijayanagar won battles, but lost the war.

Actually the empire's obsession with medieval Hinduism could have been its major fault, and the reason for its downfall, as the world was changing with Europeans already in India, and Hindus failing to adapt fast.
 
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Vijayanagar empire preserved the medieval Hindu culture, but the fact remains, that is : Vijayanagar won battles, but lost the war.

Actually the empire's obsession with medieval Hinduism could have been its major fault, and the reason for its downfall, as the world was changing with Europeans already in India, and Hindus failing to adapt fast.
Vijayanagar empire preserved the medieval Hindu culture, but the fact remains, that is : Vijayanagar won battles, but lost the war.

Actually the empire's obsession with medieval Hinduism could have been its major fault, and the reason for its downfall, as the world was changing with Europeans already in India, and Hindus failing to adapt fast.
Why do you behave as a troll?
 
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The Maratha Empire started as a small land holding by Shivaji around Pune ( aka Poona), in southwest Maharashtra, India. Shivaji regularly went on adding numerous hill forts and territories around them by military conquests. He overcame many dangerous moments in his eventful life. He was crowned a 'King' or Chhatrapati or ' One on whom there is the Shade of Kingship ' around 1676 C.E. All his life his efforts were guided by lofty principles of freedom from alien rule and the establishment of 'Hindavi Swarajya' or Hindu self-rule. He was a brave king for whom his followers were ready to lay down their lives. No wonder that this Kingdom went on to become an Empire and was overcome only in 1818.
 
Oct 2015
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Marathas: A Worthy Enemy:

"ONE of the most formidable powers opposed to each of the successive invaders of India, has been the Mahratta. Proud, brave, self-reliant, and capable of enduring all manner of hardships, they are a foe always formidable, and never to be turned aside by bribery or threats." - India, by Fannie Roper Feudge. 1903. page-491.

By "invaders" in above sentence is meant Mughals, Portuguese, and British. The above assessment is from 19th century as it appear in this book's editions from 1885 till 1903 at least. It is written by the wife of an American Christian missionary who lived and taught in India.
Maratha Military Strategy & Tactics

Observations by Fannie Roper Feudge:

"Every man among them seems born to the saddle, and their country abounds in small, strong, sure-footed horses just suited to the sort of guerilla warfare
they carry on. Armed with lances, their mounted hordes spread like locusts over the country during the days of Moslem supremacy, making rapid advances over the worst roads, impeded by no obstacles, and appearing just where they were least expected, they committed all manner of depredations on the camps and outposts of the invaders; and then loaded with plunder, disappeared as suddenly as they came."

Maratha Methods as seen by British:

"General Malcolm refers to these harassing guerillas, against whom he had constantly to contend; of their flocking to the Mahratta standard each year, immediately after the rains; and the whole immense army setting forth on the campaign, with no other provision than the food and forage each soldier carried at his saddle-bow.

Of course they had to levy on the country for subsistence; but there was no lawlessness in their plunder. They took only from their armed foes, sparing the country people when it was practicable ; and whatever booty they captured was carried to camp and divided among all."

Marathas versus Mughals:

"Thus they overran the richest provinces ; and not only was their army constantly receiving recruits, by the accession of Hindu adventurers and malecontents, but it actually derived prestige from seeming defeats, growing all the time stronger and more powerful. The Mahrattas were the great scourge of Aurungzebe; the only opponents against whom he seemed to make no headway; and after his death, they continued their encroachments, adding occasionally to their territories, sometimes suffering loss, but seldom was any real advantage gained over them ; while the empire daily grew weaker, and needed only some sudden shock to cause its entire dismemberment."

From India by Fannie Roper Feudge. 1903 edition. Chapter XX: The Mahrattas, pp 491-493.
 
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Vijayanagar empire preserved the medieval Hindu culture, but the fact remains, that is : Vijayanagar won battles, but lost the war.

Actually the empire's obsession with medieval Hinduism could have been its major fault, and the reason for its downfall, as the world was changing with Europeans already in India, and Hindus failing to adapt fast.
You do not make much sense.
The Vijayanagar Empire was established in the 14th century and only collapsed in the 17th century which means it was able to survive for almost 300 years. Even the British Empire was not able to survive more than 200 years
 
Apr 2018
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I don't concur with that observation. Sounds more like you're just being a bit subjective and hypersensitive. Don't insult the messenger---convince me that he is wrong....
I have no bussiness convincing anybody, anybody who thinks falling after 300 or 200 years after reigning is "losing the war" is behaving as troll, rise and fall is part of every single empire in history
 
Oct 2015
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India
Numbers are interesting. Here is length of time each of kingdoms under discussion lasted:

1. Vijaynagar Kingdom (244 years)

Founded in 1336/1346 and ended in 1565. Lasted for 244 years​
Some descendents kept ruling for further 81 years till 1646.​

2. Mughal kingdom (214 years)

Founded in 1526 and ended in 1740.​
Some descendents kept ruling under British suzerainty for further 117 years till 1857.​

3. British kingdom in India (182 years)

Founded in 1757/1765/1773 and ended in 1947.​

4. Maratha Kingdom (144)

Founded 1674 and ended in 1818.​
Some descendents kept ruling under British suzerainty for further 129 years till 1947.​

If we go by size of the kingdom at its maximum, then the order is: British, Mughal, Maratha, Vijaynagar. First three were predominant political powers in India at some point in their rule.
 

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