Why did the Nazis prefer the Western Allies over the Soviets?

Feb 2017
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In the European theater of WWII, the Nazis sent the bulk of their forces to the East for Operation Barbarossa; only a small percentage of the German military fought against the Western Allies (UK and USA). Hitler had also tried to bring peace between Germany and Britain, but those attempts kept getting rejected. I noticed that a lot of the Nazis went out of their way to surrender to the West like the Americans just so they wouldn't be forced to surrender to the Soviets, although maybe they knew that the West had liberal values and the Reds weren't as nice. I also heard that most of the Nazi higher-ups who were either not imprisoned or given short enough sentences that they preferred West Germany over East.

Given all of this, why is it that the Nazis preferred western values (UK and USA) over the eastern Red values? Wouldn't they feel more at home in Soviet-occupied then East Germany, since it like their government was a totalitarian state that would even kill its own citizens if they didn't support the State?
 
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Jun 2013
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Nationalsocialism was created in opposition to communism, the war with the Soviet union was sold as an ideological crusade besides a war of racial annihilation. Them being totalitarian didn't change that.
Few people seem to grasp the scale and intensity of the war on the Eastern Front. somewhere between 70-80% of German losses in men and material occurred there. On both sides captured prisoners were often tortured and killed on the spot and those who made it to prison camp usually were worked and starved to death.
Since the combatants were aware of this, surrender wasn't a palatable options even if the situation was hopeless and soldiers often truly fought bitterly to the last bullet, last man.
The Western front created the reasonable possibility to survive a surrender for the rank and file.

Also even if the Soviet union had cared to treat German Pows humanly the country was savaged and their own people enduring very harsh conditions. The Western allies had the resources to house and feed them.
 

Lord Fairfax

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In the European theater of WWII, the Nazis sent the bulk of their forces to the East for Operation Barbarossa; only a small percentage of the German military fought against the Western Allies (UK and USA).
Incorrect.
From June 1940 to June 1941 the British & allied forces faced 100 % of the German military.
From June 1941 to Nov 1942 the Soviets faced a larger % of the German military, perhaps 50%-55%, depending on how you calculate it.
From Nov 1942 onwards both the Soviets & Western Allies faced about half of the German military.

Hitler had also tried to bring peace between Germany and Britain, but those attempts kept getting rejected.
Where and when were these peace proposals of Hitler's?
 
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M9Powell

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I'd say it's more cultural similarity than political. The English & the Frank's were Germanics. Even today the Germans, French, English & Americans share a somewhat similar West European culture, the Russians are quite a bit different.
 
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Guaporense

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Incorrect.
From June 1940 to June 1941 the British & allied forces faced 100 % of the German military.
From June 1941 to Nov 1942 the Soviets faced a larger % of the German military, perhaps 50%-55%, depending on how you calculate it.
From Nov 1942 onwards both the Soviets & Western Allies faced about half of the German military.
Not remotely. The British never faced more than 10% of the German military while the Americans never fought more than 15%. While in 1940 the French engaged the bulk of it.

From 1941 to mid 1944, the USSR engaged about 98% of the frontline German forces.

While by mid 1944 with D-Day, there were 60 German divisions in the Western front, 19 divisions in Italy and 140 divisions in the Eastern front. In manpower terms it was 2.4 million German soldiers in the Eastern front to 880,000 in the Western front and about 360,000 in Italy. So the Soviets engaged about 65% of the frontline German army in the last year of the war.

On average, from June 1941 to January 1945, the Soviet Union engaged 90% of the German divisions on active fronts and inflicted 91% of the German soldiers killed in action during the same period.

WW2 was a war between Germany and the Soviet Union, all other fronts were just peripheral sideshows of without decisive importance. Denial of these facts is just a symptom of Americentrism and Britcentrism.

Germany's main objective in WW2 was to conquer territories in Eastern Europe to acquire natural resources in order to achieve the dream of a self sustaining Reich without need for international trade. Also, Hitler's main objective was to destroy the communists to guarantee the existence of individual national states as he thought the Soviet Union sought the abolition of individual nations and their incorporation into a global communist state.

Hitler looked at the UK as a fellow to be immitated, he didn't want war with the Anglo-Saxon countries at the moment but only to conquer vast colonial territories like their fellow Germanics.
 
Aug 2017
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Not remotely. The British never faced more than 10% of the German military while the Americans never fought more than 15%. While in 1940 the French engaged the bulk of it.

From 1941 to mid 1944, the USSR engaged about 98% of the frontline German forces.

While by mid 1944 with D-Day, there were 60 German divisions in the Western front, 19 divisions in Italy and 140 divisions in the Eastern front. In manpower terms it was 2.4 million German soldiers in the Eastern front to 880,000 in the Western front and about 360,000 in Italy. So the Soviets engaged about 65% of the frontline German army in the last year of the war.

On average, from June 1941 to January 1945, the Soviet Union engaged 90% of the German divisions on active fronts and inflicted 91% of the German soldiers killed in action during the same period.

WW2 was a war between Germany and the Soviet Union, all other fronts were just peripheral sideshows of without decisive importance. Denial of these facts is just a symptom of Americentrism and Britcentrism.

Germany's main objective in WW2 was to conquer territories in Eastern Europe to acquire natural resources in order to achieve the dream of a self sustaining Reich without need for international trade. Also, Hitler's main objective was to destroy the communists to guarantee the existence of individual national states as he thought the Soviet Union sought the abolition of individual nations and their incorporation into a global communist state.

Hitler looked at the UK as a fellow to be immitated, he didn't want war with the Anglo-Saxon countries at the moment but only to conquer vast colonial territories like their fellow Germanics.
I think that it is wrong to call the Western Front a "peripheral slideshow". USSR was Hitler's primary target, yes, but the UK and France were still big German enemies, since a primary goal of their foreign policy since the 19th century was to stop Germany's rising influence on the continent.

No matter what Hitler wanted, the British and the French would never allow him to create his Greater German Reich. If Germany succeeded in conquering Eastern Europe, it would become too strong and would eventually attempt to dominate the whole European continent by turning against them.

The British knew that because their attempts to appease Germany had all failed, no matter how much territory they allowed Hitler to gain, he would still seek more.
 

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Plenty of numbers being thrown around, but no sources cited by anyone in this thread. Rather than merely express my disappointment with such slack practice, I endeavored to find one. The page below has a table showing the theatres of deployment of German divisions throughout WWII on a month by month basis. Make of it what you will. :)

"The Number Of German Divisions Deployed In WWII According To Front"
 
Oct 2017
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Cultural spheres. You make it sound as if people prefer to live under dictatorship. Do you realize how many Russians fled from the Bolshevik rule?
 

Futurist

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In the European theater of WWII, the Nazis sent the bulk of their forces to the East for Operation Barbarossa; only a small percentage of the German military fought against the Western Allies (UK and USA). Hitler had also tried to bring peace between Germany and Britain, but those attempts kept getting rejected. I noticed that a lot of the Nazis went out of their way to surrender to the West like the Americans just so they wouldn't be forced to surrender to the Soviets, although maybe they knew that the West had liberal values and the Reds weren't as nice. I also heard that most of the Nazi higher-ups who were either not imprisoned or given short enough sentences that they preferred West Germany over East.

Given all of this, why is it that the Nazis preferred western values (UK and USA) over the eastern Red values? Wouldn't they feel more at home in Soviet-occupied then East Germany, since it like their government was a totalitarian state that would even kill its own citizens if they didn't support the State?
In response to your question here, please keep in mind that the Nazis had a rabid hatred of Bolshevism and Communism. Basically, they blamed Communists (along with Jews and republicans) for Germany's defeat in 1918 and also disagreed with the Communist economic system (after all, unlike the Communists, the Nazis allowed private property). However, the most important factor here appears to be that the Communists were much more brutal than the Western Allies were and that Communist brutality towards the Nazis was expected to be especially severe due to the tens of millions of deaths that Soviet citizens endured as a result of the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union (Western anger towards the Nazis was somewhat less severe since much less of their own citizens were killed in World War II in comparison to the Soviet Union).

Thus, it certainly shouldn't be surprising to see the Nazis preferring the Western Allies; after all, the Nazis valued self-preservation above all else and didn't have as rabid of a hatred for Western democracy as they had for Bolshevism (due to Nazi beliefs about Bolshevism's role in Germany's 1918 defeat).