Why didn't Britain and France enter the Russo-Japanese War?

Dec 2017
297
Regnum Teutonicum
#71
@swamp Bogger
I think a Russian-German alliance targeted at Japan is VERY unlikely, as Japan and Germany had deep relations. Essentially one different Japanese foreign minister and Japan would have joined the Central Powers instead of the Entente. There is no way Germany would team up with Russia during this time, for the only reason that Japan and Russia go to war.

Here is an interesting discussion about Japan at the start of the First World War:

 
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Jun 2018
504
New Hampshire
#72
I will watch the discussion, however everything I have read suggests that Germany and Japan were suspicious of each other due to competing territorial interests in the region. The two great powers would not become allies until the 1930s when Germany no longer had any imperial ambitions in Far East. Kaiser Wilhelm did in fact encourage Russian aggression against Japan in Korea and Manchuria, hardly the actions of a Japanese ally.
 
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Futurist

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May 2014
20,960
SoCal
#73
@swamp Bogger
I think a Russian-German alliance targeted at Japan is VERY unlikely, as Japan and Germany had deep relations. Essentially one different Japanese foreign minister and Japan would have joined the Central Powers instead of the Entente. There is no way Germany would team up with Russia during this time, for the only reason that Japan and Russia go to war.

Here is an interesting discussion about Japan at the start of the First World War:

Having Japan join the CP in WWI would have been risky since Japan could have lost southern Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands without actually being able to permanently conquer any territories.
 
Jun 2018
504
New Hampshire
#74
Having Japan join the CP in WWI would have been risky since Japan could have lost southern Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands without actually being able to permanently conquer any territories.
Japan was a British ally, and remained so until the 1930s when Japanese imperialists cast a covetous eye at Britain's East Asian colonies. Japan would not have joined the Central Powers and certainly would not have went to war with Great Britain during the period of 1914-1918.
 
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pugsville

Ad Honorem
Oct 2010
9,341
#75
Japan was a British ally, and remained so until the 1930s when Japanese imperialists cast a covetous eye at Britain's East Asian colonies. Japan would not have joined the Central Powers and certainly would not have went to war with Great Britain during the period of 1914-1918.
Officially terminated in 1923.

the British were under pressure both from the Dominiations (Australia and New Zealand) and the US to renounce the treaty and Alliance. Good Relations and trust were pretty much and been eroded 1919-1921. Relations were strained by the end of thetreaty.

Anglo-Japanese Alliance - Wikipedia
 

Futurist

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May 2014
20,960
SoCal
#76
Officially terminated in 1923.

the British were under pressure both from the Dominiations (Australia and New Zealand) and the US to renounce the treaty and Alliance. Good Relations and trust were pretty much and been eroded 1919-1921. Relations were strained by the end of thetreaty.

Anglo-Japanese Alliance - Wikipedia
Pugs, do you think that Japan would have been as aggressive in the 1930s and early 1940s had it been able to maintain its British alliance?
 

pugsville

Ad Honorem
Oct 2010
9,341
#77
Pugs, do you think that Japan would have been as aggressive in the 1930s and early 1940s had it been able to maintain its British alliance?
I do not see how the allaince could have been maintained through the 1920s, no matter what the Japanese actions or desires. Britain was under substantial pressures from Nations it;s relationships were much more importnat than Japan to get rid of the Allaince, BEFORE Japanese desires and actions to expand which would have wrecked it anyway. The US was very concerned about it and the Washington connfernce in 1922 and the four power pact , was efectively the end of the allaince. Britian was a status quo power and fundamnetally the allaince was built on very shakey sands, the Japanse were an expansionist power, Japan;'s desire to expand it;s influcnce in China and the exclsuion of other powers from China simply a collusion course.
 
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Futurist

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May 2014
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SoCal
#78
I do not see how the allaince could have been maintained through the 1920s, no matter what the Japanese actions or desires. Britain was under substantial pressures from Nations it;s relationships were much more importnat than Japan to get rid of the Allaince, BEFORE Japanese desires and actions to expand which would have wrecked it anyway. The US was very concerned about it and the Washington connfernce in 1922 and the four power pact , was efectively the end of the allaince. Britian was a status quo power and fundamnetally the allaince was built on very shakey sands, the Japanse were an expansionist power, Japan;'s desire to expand it;s influcnce in China and the exclsuion of other powers from China simply a collusion course.
Why was the US concerned about this alliance? One would think that the US would have welcomed a Britain that tried to restrain Japan.
 

pugsville

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Oct 2010
9,341
#79
Why was the US concerned about this alliance? One would think that the US would have welcomed a Britain that tried to restrain Japan.
The US viewed the allaince as potemntial encouraging rather than restrianing (IMHO) . US really saw China as a pretty important interests and the open door policy was one meant to favour US interests.
 
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Jan 2019
15
Kent, England
#80
Officially terminated in 1923.

the British were under pressure both from the Dominiations (Australia and New Zealand) and the US to renounce the treaty and Alliance. Good Relations and trust were pretty much and been eroded 1919-1921. Relations were strained by the end of thetreaty.

Anglo-Japanese Alliance - Wikipedia
I think you're wrong there: the Australians and New Zealanders were all in favour of the AJA - the only Dominion that was opposed was Canada.
 
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