Why didn't Hitler give the heavily German parts of Transylvania to Hungary in 1940?

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In 1940 (specifically after the Fall of France and the resulting German domination of Europe), there was the Second Vienna Award--which awarded northern Transylvania to Hungary (Romania previously controlled northern Transylvania).

However, my question is this--why weren't the heavily German parts of Transylvania also given to Hungary in 1940?

This map of Austria-Hungary's ethnic groups in 1910 shows that southern Transylvania had a sizable German minority:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Greater_austria_ethnic.svg/1360px-Greater_austria_ethnic.svg.png



However, for some reason, Hungary didn't get the German-majority parts of Transylvania in 1940:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vienna_Award#/media/File:Hungary_1941_ethnic.svg



Why exactly did Hitler allow Romania to keep the heavily German parts of Transylvania?

Any thoughts on this?
 
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Because those germans were going to all be re-located to Germany (a process which was already in the works) leaving those areas at like 80% romanian - 20% hungarian.



You got to keep in mind that this wasn't about drawing borders based on equity/ethnic balance; The sole purpose of this dictate was to get Hungary and Romania fighting against the soviets (Hungary having received land/Romania having received the promise that after the war it will be left to sort things out with Hungary and Bulgaria, undisturbed).
 
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Futurist

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Because those germans were going to all be re-located to Germany (a process which was already in the works) leaving those areas at like 80% romanian - 20% hungarian.
For some reason Transylvania isn't mentioned in this article, though:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heim_ins_Reich

You got to keep in mind that this wasn't about drawing borders based on equity/ethnic balance; The sole purpose of this dictate was to get Hungary and Romania fighting against the soviets (Hungary having received land/Romania having received the promise that after the war it will be left to sort things out with Hungary and Bulgaria, undisturbed).
Did Hitler actually make such a promise to Romania, though?
 

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Hitler gave to Hungary the parts of Transylvania inhabited by a Hungarian speaking majority plus a teritorry to link them with Hungary. He did this as a punishment for Romania's anti-German policies during the reign of Carol II, what reason he would have had to give Hungary the "heavily German parts" too?
 
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Hitler gave to Hungary the parts of Transylvania inhabited by a Hungarian speaking majority plus a teritorry to link them with Hungary. He did this as a punishment for Romania's anti-German policies during the reign of Carol II, what reason he would have had to give Hungary the "heavily German parts" too?
Wrong. There were no any official anti-german policy/diplomacy in Romania that time.
Contemporary Romania had good relations with nazi Germany since many years before the WW2 broke out. Their king became dictator in early 1939. The policy of his dictatorship was not much different than Hitler's policy in Germany.
 
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Ficino

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Wrong. There were no any official anti-german policy/diplomacy in Romania that time.
Contemporary Romania had good relations with nazi Germany since many years before the WW2 broke out. Their king became dictator in early 1939. The policy of his dictatorship was not much different than Hitler's policy in Germany.
Maybe you are not very well informed, take just the so called "Viorel Tilea case"/"Romanian War Scare" and please do serious research re: who cooked the lie. Because I tell you that it was not Tilea himself.
 

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Hitler gave to Hungary the parts of Transylvania inhabited by a Hungarian speaking majority plus a teritorry to link them with Hungary. He did this as a punishment for Romania's anti-German policies during the reign of Carol II, what reason he would have had to give Hungary the "heavily German parts" too?
Well, didn't these Germans' ancestors originally come to Transylvania in order to protect the Hungarian frontier from barbarians?

If so, one could certainly argue that they are an integral part of Hungarian history in Transylvania and thus deserved to be included in the part of Transylvania that was given to Hungary.
 
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Wrong. There were no any official anti-german policy/diplomacy in Romania that time.
Contemporary Romania had good relations with nazi Germany since many years before the WW2 broke out. Their king became dictator in early 1939. The policy of his dictatorship was not much different than Hitler's policy in Germany.

I'm sorry but the sources you took this from are seriously wrong.




Germany hated the historically pro-french and pro-british Romania, which was known to have a pro-french and pro-british elite (including the King, Carol II) during those days as well. If I remember correctly, this was said directly to Carol II by Hitler when they met.


Carol II immediately ordered the only friends of Germany in Romania (the Iron Guard) to be destroyed.



Carol II was also de facto married to a jew, who was very influential in the political enviroment.


By all means, Romania couldn't have been further away from a good relationship with Germany before WW2.


It's actually pretty obvious to be honest. If Romania had been in good relations with Germany, Germany wouldn't (together with the USSR) have butchered Romania.