Why didn't Indian civilization spread to its west?

Aug 2018
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There is nothing comical about that assertion. Go check the root words.
Oh God, he is one of those who thinks Sanskrit is the same as Proto-Indo-European.

Zoroastrians had nothing to do with India except trading with Gujarat in the Sassanid era (224 to 651 AD) till they came to India when they faced persecution in Iran by Muslims in the 8th Century. They were neither Hindu nor Indian. That they once followed the pre-Vedic culture in Central Asia does not make them Hindus. Hinduism is the product of assimilation of Vedic culture and the indigenous Indian religion and philosophy. Of course, Zoroastrians who settled in India are very much Indians.
For God's sake, Zoroastrianism did not originate exactly in India but it did originate close to the Hindu cultural area in Afghanistan and was heavily influenced by the Vedic religion of northern India. All scholars and experts of Zoroastrianism will agree with this point. That's why we see Vedic gods like Mithra appearing in the Gathas, that's why the Gathas are also extremely similar to the Vedas in composition. Even Zoroastrian rituals are very similar to Hindu ones. The importance of fire and of the ritual drink of soma (called haoma by the Gathas, a cognate if not outright derivation from the Sanskrit) all attest to the strong Vedic/early Hindu influence over Zoroastrianism. That's why it's not inaccurate to say that Zoroastrianism is Indian, and that Zoroastrianism is a breakaway of Hinduism in much the same way Christianity and Islam are in relation to Judaism.
 
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Aug 2019
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Indians are assimilating in nature and believe their country to be motherland. Indian culture is such that they would never leave it on an official basis, excepted of course for the wavering which exist in every country.

The spread of indian culture has been global, unlike any other nation, a first of its kind.

Subtle things is where the mind over conquest matter has won
 
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What are you smoking? First of all there is nothing like indigenous and non-indigenous Hindu religion. Second, Rama, Krishna, etc.. are Vedic names and characters. And third, no non Vedic culture ever demonized asuras, and definitely nobody meant Vedic Gods to be asuras in India (only in your fertile imagination these things exist).
Avestan came first and then came vedic sanskrit. It's quite clearly in the family tree.

Any search would show indo-aryan is descendant of Indo-Iranian and languages are essence of people
 
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Avestan came first and then came vedic sanskrit. It's quite clearly in the family tree.

Any search would show indo-aryan is descendant of Indo-Iranian and languages are essence of people
No, Avestan is later than Vedic. Go look through the material in Rig Veda and Avesta and you will know what I am talking about. The language family tree reconstructed is wrong.
 
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Avestan came first and then came vedic sanskrit. It's quite clearly in the family tree.

Any search would show indo-aryan is descendant of Indo-Iranian and languages are essence of people
Avestan is later than Vedic. Living rishis in Vedas are ancestors of bygone era in Avesta. Moreover Zoroasterianism is cleary a branched out 'rebel' religion which has adopted many non-Indo European concepts in their religion. Avesta is aware of Vedas but Vedas don't know Avesta at all.
 
Aug 2019
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Bengaluru, India/Sharjah, UAE
Avestan is later than Vedic. Living rishis in Vedas are ancestors of bygone era in Avesta. Moreover Zoroasterianism is cleary a branched out 'rebel' religion which has adopted many non-Indo European concepts in their religion. Avesta is aware of Vedas but Vedas don't know Avesta at all.
You still need to provide a citation or reference AKA Show me your book
 
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:)

Same thing happened in India. Indigenous people did not accept the Vedic Gods (Asuras) and demonized Asuras, as they had their own Gods and Goddesses (Rama, Krishna, Shiva, Mother Goddess Durga). Hinduism too got support from the Gupta emperors. Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism were 'matas' (opinions), 'panthas' (a different way) for a long time before they became separate religions.
Asuras are not Vedic Gods !
The word Asura is an adjective which has been used for a few Devas in Rigveda.
Asura corresponds to powerful entities which has been menifested from the unmanifested hence have some sort of enigma associated with them.
 
Aug 2018
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Avestan came first and then came vedic sanskrit. It's quite clearly in the family tree.

Any search would show indo-aryan is descendant of Indo-Iranian and languages are essence of people
Avestan and Sanskrit came at about the same time. Sanskrit in fact may have preeminence since the Mittite treaty mentioning Indra and the Nasatya is the first attested Indo-Iranian occurrence in written form, following what appears to be some kind of proto-Vedic hymn. The term Maryannu (chariot warrior) that becomes common after the Mittite conquests throughout the Near East is also nearly in that same form in Sanskrit. Most scholars also date the Gathas after the Rig Veda.
 
Aug 2019
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Bengaluru, India/Sharjah, UAE
Avestan and Sanskrit came at about the same time. Sanskrit in fact may have preeminence since the Mittite treaty mentioning Indra and the Nasatya is the first attested Indo-Iranian occurrence in written form, following what appears to be some kind of proto-Vedic hymn. The term Maryannu (chariot warrior) that becomes common after the Mittite conquests throughout the Near East is also nearly in that same form in Sanskrit. Most scholars also date the Gathas after the Rig Veda.
Again in line citation or reference aka show me your book