Why didn't Indian civilization spread to its west?

Aupmanyav

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Jun 2014
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The Vedas were composed around the Indus river between Pakistan and northern India. They weren't composed before even if the Vedic gods preceded the composition of the Vedas, so yes, the Vedas are Indian. The Avesta was composed later than the Vedas and is clearly strongly indebted to it and for that reason as well, the Avesta can be considered Indian, or if that offends you, at the very least influenced by Indian culture. It's therefore still the spreading of Indian culture to the west.
No, the Vedas are 20,000 years old, older than the last ice-age. It is during that period that the IE people moved south because of the advent of snow and settled in the Pontic steppes (prior to 7,000 BC - Seroglazovka Culture near Astrakhan is dated around that time. Check Wikipedia). The IE first moved towards West.The Northern movement of IE people started quite late (around 3,500 BC - Samara Culture). The Eastern movement came even later than that (2,500 BC towards Aral Sea and the Oxus valley). Indian and Iranian Aryans belong to this East-ward movement.
 
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No, the Vedas are 20,000 years old, older than the last ice-age. It is during that period that the IE people moved south because of the advent of snow and settled in the Pontic steppes (prior to 7,000 BC - Seroglazovka Culture near Astrakhan is dated around that time. Check Wikipedia). The IE first moved towards West.The Northern movement of IE people started quite late (around 3,500 BC - Samara Culture). The Eastern movement came even later than that (2,500 BC towards Aral Sea and the Oxus valley). Indian and Iranian Aryans belong to this East-ward movement.
And the Earth is 6,000 years old according to the Bible. Yeah, no.
 
Nov 2014
490
India
Oh God, he is one of those who thinks Sanskrit is the same as Proto-Indo-European.


For God's sake, Zoroastrianism did not originate exactly in India but it did originate close to the Hindu cultural area in Afghanistan and was heavily influenced by the Vedic religion of northern India. All scholars and experts of Zoroastrianism will agree with this point. That's why we see Vedic gods like Mithra appearing in the Gathas, that's why the Gathas are also extremely similar to the Vedas in composition. Even Zoroastrian rituals are very similar to Hindu ones. The importance of fire and of the ritual drink of soma (called haoma by the Gathas, a cognate if not outright derivation from the Sanskrit) all attest to the strong Vedic/early Hindu influence over Zoroastrianism. That's why it's not inaccurate to say that Zoroastrianism is Indian, and that Zoroastrianism is a breakaway of Hinduism in much the same way Christianity and Islam are in relation to Judaism.
PIE is a made-up language. There was no PIE. Languages always mixed with each other. Progression of language is not a one-way street. They borrow from their neighbours and then they change on a continuous basis. There was no PIE, nor Sanskrit is the PIE.
 

Aupmanyav

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Jun 2014
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New Delhi, India
Sanskrit had its origin (as pre-Vedic and Vedic) in PIE. Similarity of languages and myths from Iceland to India could not have come about without it. Sure, language is not a one-way street.
 

Aatreya

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Dec 2014
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Sanskrit had its origin (as pre-Vedic and Vedic) in PIE. Similarity of languages and myths from Iceland to India could not have come about without it. Sure, language is not a one-way street.
Duh! Yes, the similarity between languages must have been due to a common origin and the place of origin is in India. The root words of those common words are well defined in Vedic.

For example, deva, dyAva, dyauh, etc.. all originate from div, i.e. to shine. Greek has zeus and Roman has ju while Vedic has dyauh. All have originated from div, and that root is a Vedic root word. Only Vedic has a cluster of words that are formed from that root word.
 
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India
Duh! Yes, the similarity between languages must have been due to a common origin and the place of origin is in India. The root words of those common words are well defined in Vedic.

For example, deva, dyAva, dyauh, etc.. all originate from div, i.e. to shine. Greek has zeus and Roman has ju while Vedic has dyauh. All have originated from div, and that root is a Vedic root word. Only Vedic has a cluster of words that are formed from that root word.
There is a tamil word for fire "Di" , to shine you need fire. So the so called PIE div, is related to dravidian Di
 
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