Why didn't the 1989 Tiananmen crackdown result in a domino effect and bring down the government?

Nov 2019
53
Solar System
Western media and western-controlled media in HK are responsible for the humanitarian crisis happening in HK right now, cause their biased and one-sided reports about the riot have given rioters and thugs support and motivation for more killing and more destruction. I hope karma and justice can punish those media tycoons one day.
 

MG1962a

Ad Honorem
Mar 2019
2,163
Kansas
How do you know that they are provocateurs? Any evidence apart from the bullshit that bbc and cnn has been indoctrinating you over the past several months?

Peaceful? So burning people alive is considered peaceful? Destroying subway stations, railways, and airport is considered peaceful? Throwing petrol bombs at police stations and at random civilians is peaceful? Beating up elders and women is considered peaceful? Throwing bricks and stones at people is considered peaceful? Why don't you try these out in USA or in your own country and let's see how the police would react.
Maybe putting 70 protesters in hospital during a peaceful demonstration would put them in a bad mood.

Or maybe firing the bean bags into protesters faces at point blank range might equally invoke feelings of anger.

But what do I know?
 
Nov 2014
500
India
One should recognise that the PRC leadership is a ruthless dictatorship. I see no hopes for the people of HK. They are headed for a massive cull and they have no clue about it. HK is not that important, economically for PCR any more. The leadership of PCR is just weighing their options and when the protests are above a level and are politically more expensive than the economic value that HK brings in, it is going to be a massacre.
 
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Nov 2019
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Solar System
Maybe putting 70 protesters in hospital during a peaceful demonstration would put them in a bad mood.

Or maybe firing the bean bags into protesters faces at point blank range might equally invoke feelings of anger.

But what do I know?
If you don't know then you'd better keep your mouth shut, as simple as that.

Try to commit those inhumane atrocities that the HK rioters did in any western country and you'll either get beaten up badly by the police or more likely shot dead on the spot, and western media would show no remorse for you. Yet somehow when the same kind of riot and destruction happen in HK, western media suddenly portray the rioters as heroes and the police as evil and brutal. This is pure western hypocrisy and double standard.
 
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Naomasa298

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Apr 2010
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If you don't know then you'd better keep your mouth shut, as simple as that.

You're new here, so I'm going to give you some leeway. This post is not acceptable. Leave the rudeness at the door. Attack the argument, not the person.

This is your get out of jail free card. There won't be another one.
 
Sep 2019
378
Slovenia
@Futurist about your question students in Tiananmen square were supporters of liberal wing of Chinese communist party namely politburo member Hu Yaobang. He wanted to encourage public debate in China about the issues such as human rights, democracy etc. but was strongly attacked by other communist leaders. They were ready to change some things in the economy but wanted to hold strong on power as the only political party. Protesters demanded things like freedom of press, better payments for intellectuals, they were against privileges of the party elite etc. Party leaders accused them that they were acting like red guards during cultural revolution which were indeed many time used by Mao in destroying his political enemies in communist party. Red guards were of course armed by the state and at the end even Mao had to sent army against them and different factions of them fighting one another. This was just another episode of his disastrous decisions and policy as it was the so called great leap forward when he caused the biggest hunger in Chinese history. But it does not have any real connection with Tiananmen square protests. Around one thousand people were killed in Beijing and in other parts of China many times under cover ups, that they did like some other non-political crime. 40.000 were arrested, according to informations collected by Amnesty International, and different ambassadors.
 

MG1962a

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Mar 2019
2,163
Kansas
Around one thousand people were killed in Beijing and in other parts of China many times under cover ups, that they did like some other non-political crime. 40.000 were arrested, according to informations collected by Amnesty International, and different ambassadors.
And who knows when we will ever see the true number. Just in the square the estimates range from hundreds to thousand :(
 
Feb 2017
313
Latin America
Gordon C. Chang has been saying China will collapse since 2001. As for why it didn't, the US effectively empowered the Chinese when it passed to the side of the US in 1972 and especially in 1979. Also, the Tiananmen protests were more reformist than changer in any case. They didn't want to bring down the government or the system, just reform it.
 
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