Why didn't the Byzantines ever attempt to expand into the northern Black Sea territories (other than southern Crimea)?

Feb 2011
1,205
Scotland
I believe that Khazar Khaganate was still an effective power in the area in the 10th and 11th centuries.
 
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Ad Honorem
Sep 2012
4,151
Bulgaria
I believe that Khazar Khaganate was still an effective power in the area in the 10th and 11th centuries.
Sviatoslav of Rus destroyed this Khaganate in the mid X century. The same guy conquered northern part of Danube Bulgaria / the remnants of this weakened state were finally defeated and brought under Byzantine/ Eastern Roman etc control in the very beginning of XI century by Basil II Boulgaroktonos.
 
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Jan 2014
1,112
Rus
Grozny not = simply Terrible
Grozny = Terrible for enemies

....During Caucassian war one of Russian fortresses got name "Groznaya". Which meant terrible for enemies (= caucasian tribes, including Chechens). Later it becomes big town Grozny. In 1990s it was seized but Chechens. Firstly they wanted to rename town. But they havent do it. Because they like such title too due their warlike culture.
 
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Jan 2014
1,112
Rus
Sviatoslav of Rus destroyed this Khaganate in the mid X century. The same guy conquered northern part of Danube Bulgaria / the remnants of this weakened state were finally defeated and brought under Byzantine/ Eastern Roman etc control in the very beginning of XI century by Basil II Boulgaroktonos.
Very slippy theme. As i understand desroying of Khazar Khaganate assume only on a couple of lines from early Russian Chronicle. Which were written more than century later and dont include any details.

Meanwhile mentions of Khazaria are continuing in XI century too. Problem is that we really dont know history of Khazaria at whole. We even dont know destination of its main cities.

Gordian knot is history of Tmutarakan . In Russian history it is remote enclave of Rus. Which suddenly appeared in Russian Chronicle as such already. Historians explains it by conquests of Svyatoslav backdated.

Problems are:
1. There is near 1000 km from Tmutarakan to classical Rus by land or more 500 by sea and land.
2. Tmutarakan was part of ancient Greek colonized land. Its name was Hermonassa in Elenistic period. Later it was conrolled by Romania. All the more so in XI century, the time of local Romanian peak of power. Futurist in start topic even was surprised why Romans didnt came farther. Meanwhile in Russian Chronicle this part of Byzantine mentioned as peripheral vassal part. ?????? Especially considering that Rus then was newly formed barbaric semistate.
3. Arabian historians often mentioned Russians acting in Caucasus, Transcaucasus, Caspian Basin. This is badly geographically fit with Kievan Rus, but very good with Tmutarakan.
4.Romans often called Tmutarakan as Khazaria.

So we have some unsolved question. Naturally that Russian historians simply shrug off it. They firmly assumed that Svyatoslav seized Tmutarakan from Khazaria. And later it insensibly got in Romania again. Obviously because digging in this direction can easy undermine official Russian history.
 
Mar 2012
1,222
Magdeburg
Really interesting period of time of the region. Khazars being destroyed by Sviotaslav through Byzantine intrugies, then again through the same Byzantine intrugies gets destroyed by Pecheneggi. Byzantines was master manipulators.
 
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