Why didn't the Gloster Meteor engage the Me-262?

May 2019
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I was reading where the Meteor was prohibited from engaging or didn't ever engage the Me-262 in air to air combat. Was there any specific reason why?
 

sculptingman

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I was reading where the Meteor was prohibited from engaging or didn't ever engage the Me-262 in air to air combat. Was there any specific reason why?
several-
first of all, it initially was relegated to training pilots in how to fly jet aircraft-
Its first combat use was to shoot down V1's -
a good many of the initial production were modified to experiment with aircraft carrier deployment, night operations and more.

But primarily they were not allowed to overfly german held territory for fear one would get shot down- or have to land or even that a forward airbase might get overrun--and the germans would get ahold of their engine technology...
And add to that the same problem the 262 had- that it burnt thru a lot of fuel freakin fast meant that it simply could not stray that far from its base of operations.
 
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Jan 2019
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It was pure chance that the Meteor never met the Me262. Initially they were held back to chase V1's, but then were sent to the Continent and were treated just like any other fighter - carrying out sweeps and strafing German troops. They certainly weren't forbidden to engage enemy aircraft.
 
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Oct 2019
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Budapest
several-
first of all, it initially was relegated to training pilots in how to fly jet aircraft-
Its first combat use was to shoot down V1's -
a good many of the initial production were modified to experiment with aircraft carrier deployment, night operations and more.

But primarily they were not allowed to overfly german held territory for fear one would get shot down- or have to land or even that a forward airbase might get overrun--and the germans would get ahold of their engine technology...
And add to that the same problem the 262 had- that it burnt thru a lot of fuel freakin fast meant that it simply could not stray that far from its base of operations.
ME-262 was a more advanced plane, but the British did not know its exact caracteristics and specs yet. Both ME-262 and Meteor had embrional stage of engine development, because Brits and Germans did not have many basic things about the theoretical background (math formulas and metallugrgy) of such engines, they just built them, and they somhow worked (with laughable efficiency ratio). Neither Frank Whittle or Hans von Ohain were good in theoretics, so they built terrible efficiency engines.
No Wonder that after the war, a Hungarian (with more theoretical knowledge about Jets) Jendrassik was hired by Whittle to his Power Jets company, to increase the efficiency of his engines. Another key figure was Hungarian Theodore von Karman did similar great theoretical job for the United States.
 
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I would think the short range of both aircraft would preclude them ever meeting. The Me 262 was being held back to contest Bomber attacks. The Meteor was never sent with Bomber Formations for long range escort. The P 51 was sent on long range escort and they did see combat with Me 262's, even if it was orbiting the German airbases and shooting them down when they were trying to land. The P 47 had enough range to escort the Bombers, but they had been switched over to ground attack when the P 51 came in.

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Triceratops

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The first 262 to be brought down was in an action against Thunderbolts(82 FS/78FG) on the 28th August 1944 near Charleroi in Belgium. The German Pilot, Oberfeldwebel Hieronymus Lauer, crash landing into a ploughed field.
On 2nd October, another P-47 flight(386 FS/365FG) on a mission near Munster had a clash with a 262, which resulted in the jet's wing striking the ground and bursting into a fireball. Incredibly, the pilot survived, although he was hospitalised for four months. The pilot being none other than Oberfeldwebel Lauer from the 28th August action.

As far as I can see, only one squadron of Meteors (616 Squadron) was deployed to the Continent. So not very many aircraft and late in the war, it's not surprising that Meteor combat operations were limited.

They were painted white for easy identification by ground troops:

 
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Triceratops

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Meteors vs V-1s were the only jet vs jet clashes of WW2. Jet fighter vs jet fighter would have to wait until Korea:

 

redcoat

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The first 262 to be brought down was in an action against Thunderbolts(82 FS/78FG) on the 28th August 1944 near Charleroi in Belgium. The German Pilot, Oberfeldwebel Hieronymus Lauer, crash landing into a ploughed field.
On 2nd October, another P-47 flight(386 FS/365FG) on a mission near Munster had a clash with a 262, which resulted in the jet's wing striking the ground and bursting into a fireball. Incredibly, the pilot survived, although he was hospitalised for four months. The pilot being none other than Oberfeldwebel Lauer from the 28th August action.
The first Me 262 lost due to enemy fire while dogfighting was On 5 October, a five-strong 401 RCAF Spitfire squadron patrol encountered a Messerschmitt Me 262 jet of KG 51 and shot it down, the pilot, Hpt. Hans-Christoph Buttmann, was killed.

As far as I can see, only one squadron of Meteors (616 Squadron) was deployed to the Continent. So not very many aircraft and late in the war, it's not surprising that Meteor combat operations were limited.

They were painted white for easy identification by ground troops:
Also for USAAF fighters who were tending to shoot first and ask questions later


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