Why didn't the Nazis just buy/trade for oil from the Soviets?

Sep 2013
916
Chattanooga, TN
All my life I have read and heard that one of the main reasons, perhaps the main reason, that Adolf Hitler had the Nazis invade the Soviet Union is to obtain oil from the Soviets. The Soviet Union was a giant and powerful country with a formidable military. To me, it seems like invading the Soviet Union was a recipe for disaster. Someone might say that it would be cheaper to just invade the Soviet Union and steal the oil from the Soviets, but I strongly doubt it would be cheaper. Wars/invasions cost a lot of money. Another reason that I have read and heard that the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union was because Hitler hated Communism. Even though Hitler hated Communism, was this really a worthwhile reason to invade the Soviet Union given the might of the Soviet military?



Why didn't the Nazis just buy/trade for oil from the Soviets?
 

paranoid marvin

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Aug 2015
2,359
uk
Hitler was (quite rightly) suspicious of Stalin, and I suspect he thought that sooner or later he would invade Germany. The Wehrmacht was in top gear, having crushed all before them, so there was never going to be a better time to invade Russia.

In many respects the invasion was tactically sound , and if they had managed to capture or kill Stalin, or capture the oil fields instead of getting bogged down in street-to street city fighting, Hitler may well have succeeded.
 

zincwarrior

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Jun 2012
5,713
Texas
All my life I have read and heard that one of the main reasons, perhaps the main reason, that Adolf Hitler had the Nazis invade the Soviet Union is to obtain oil from the Soviets. The Soviet Union was a giant and powerful country with a formidable military. To me, it seems like invading the Soviet Union was a recipe for disaster. Someone might say that it would be cheaper to just invade the Soviet Union and steal the oil from the Soviets, but I strongly doubt it would be cheaper. Wars/invasions cost a lot of money. Another reason that I have read and heard that the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union was because Hitler hated Communism. Even though Hitler hated Communism, was this really a worthwhile reason to invade the Soviet Union given the might of the Soviet military?



Why didn't the Nazis just buy/trade for oil from the Soviets?
Prior to the war, they were trading oil. World at War even has an interview with a Russian minister talking about how they were preparing a run of tankers for a train to go into Germany when the war broke out.
 
Jun 2014
1,221
VA
All my life I have read and heard that one of the main reasons, perhaps the main reason, that Adolf Hitler had the Nazis invade the Soviet Union is to obtain oil from the Soviets. The Soviet Union was a giant and powerful country with a formidable military. To me, it seems like invading the Soviet Union was a recipe for disaster. Someone might say that it would be cheaper to just invade the Soviet Union and steal the oil from the Soviets, but I strongly doubt it would be cheaper. Wars/invasions cost a lot of money. Another reason that I have read and heard that the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union was because Hitler hated Communism. Even though Hitler hated Communism, was this really a worthwhile reason to invade the Soviet Union given the might of the Soviet military?



Why didn't the Nazis just buy/trade for oil from the Soviets?
Because that defeats the entire purpose of the Nazi State which was to bring about a demographic/racial paradise by enslaving/by exterminating large portions of the Slavs establishing Lebensraum.

War with the Soviet Union was non-optional for the Nazis because their nazi ideas made it an ideological imperative.

It really didn't matter what Stalin and the USSR did because the Nazi State was the Nazi State, and they really couldn't tolerate the existence of the USSR or the non-extermination of large portions of the population. Even internal Wermacht documents discuss how much of the conquered population is to be killed.
 
Jun 2015
579
Camelot
The Soviets were going to invade eventually, and they were in a moment of weakness. A soviet union ready for war in 1943 would have been a disaster for the Germans and would have meant a Communist Europe, an ideological anathema for the Germans. They came very close and failed by a slim thread to win the Eastern front in 1941-42. For example Germany didn't use gas and didn't prepare winter equipment or uniforms. It's easy to say in hindsight, but nonetheless one thing we can conclude is that they had a good shot. Also, Hitler was convinced Britain was only holding out because of hope of Soviet intervention.

Invading the USSR in pre-emptive strike wasn't just a very Hitler thing to do, it was a very German thing to do. Germans are all about pre-emptive strikes and swift victories in not just their military tradition, but their cultural ethos pre-1945. "Would you rather wait for the enemy to shoot or fire first?" was a common adage in the interwar period, and even moderate politicians used it in their speeches. The interwar commanders of the Wehrmacht even before the Nazis tried to preserve the "offensive spirit" of the Wehrmacht.

Finally, if Hitler didn't invade, his own men would have started the war anyway. German doctrine was such that well trained officers were expected to make many of their own decisions. Hitler was more micromanaging than any previous German head of state save for Frederick the Great, but his officers still jumped the gun on many of his orders during the war. Seeing as the same issue happened in World War 1 where German officers "accidentally" invaded Russia against orders, leading to a bogged down Polish campaign in 1914, years before high command's planned operation to take the East, it was reasonable for the German leadership to think that if they didn't start the war on their own terms, that someone else would start it on theirs.
 
Jul 2017
335
Argentina
Hey Grey.
Russia was selling oil an other stuff to Germany even after the war had started.
That was also part of the Ribentrup-Molotov pact. Not just dividing polish territory. But both parts of the dialogue table (negotiations lasted a lot) knew it was not much more than pause for their sooner or later war. Personally I can't unerstand why some say they were ideologycal enemies. Both regimes had the word SOCIALIST in their names and red in their flags to simbolize it. I don't think they saw each other as an ideologycal enemy.
But Stalin wanted to conquer the whole world includding Germany. And Germany wanted the same. Includding Russia. War was inevitable and no bussines would avoid it. They saw the wealth of each other country (basically scientists in Germany and primary matter in Russia) but there was no possible long term interchange.
Russia wad so determined to fight Germany that even USA and England knocked it's door.
IMHO.
¡¡Aguante Talleres!!
 

pugsville

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Oct 2010
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. Personally I can't unerstand why some say they were ideologycal enemies. Both regimes had the word SOCIALIST in their names and red in their flags to simbolize it. I don't think they saw each other as an ideologycal enemy.
They were absolutely ideological enemies. They defined themselves that way. Having a word in a name means little Democratic Republic.

Hitler was determined to make war.. He was disappointed in Munich, he did not want peaceful solutions. He wanted Germany to have continental scale resources, and saw the conquest of Russia as the required living space to create a super Germany.
 

MrKap

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Aug 2011
2,353
I truly don't know.

What I do know, is that Hitler's own generals conspired to assassinate him.

...it took Stalin a full week, just to recover from the shock of the news. They say he spent an entire week, in his bedroom, doing nothing, giving no orders, while Nazis rampaged the Soviet Union.

Perhaps there is a control and command flaw in the Soviet Regime, where if you take out the dictator it leaves the entire country vulnerable?

This is a long shot, total supposition, but maybe a secret agent was able to supress the health of Stalin, inside enemy lines, and perhaps the "assassination" of Stalin failed.

I've never looked to far into why Stalin. Stalled. LOL.

Imma going to go look for info now.

http://www.historyinanhour.com/2011/07/01/stalins-breakdown/

Within the first day, one quarter of Russia’s air strength had been destroyed
Stalin went into overdrive despite looking, as Nikita Khrushchev, Stalin’s successor, later described him, “a bag of bones in a grey tunic.”
Everything went through Stalin – from what journalist wrote what for the Soviet newspaper Pravda, down to the length of bayonet to be manufactured.

There is nothing about his "stalling" but I'm sure I will find mention if I keep looking.

https://thesanghakommune.org/2013/08/19/why-stalin-appeared-to-hesitate-the-nazi-invasion-of-the-soviet-union/

When the Nazi attack eventually materialised, Stalin did not respond and a paralysis of command spread throughout the Soviet frontline forces.
I think it was a full week of "paralysis". So they say.

Maybe some little bastard got in there and poisoned him. (Cause I don't want to suggest long range telepathic "incubus")

News of something such as that, must have been top friggin secret. Could you imagine news of the Stalin falling?

I could imagine the surrender of the whole nation as belief that the single most important thing binding the system together, fell.


Why didn't the Nazis just buy/trade for oil from the Soviets?
I'll bet oil reserves, and this is to my memory, were within a few miles of the Nazi border, inside the Soviet Union.

Why buy, if you can see it from the front lines?


During World War II, Hitler was set on capturing Baku's oil fields to fuel his own
https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Baku,+Azerbaijan/@40.3942544,13.9955514,3z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40307d6bd6211cf9:0x343f6b5e7ae56c6b!8m2!3d40.4092617!4d49.8670924


Less than about 1000km or 500 miles from the front line, and if you ask me, it looks like great territory top defend given the surrounding lakes, approaching winter, and so forth.

Plus Rommel was coming in hard across Northern Europe, into Egypt, to capture more Oil Fields, so it looks like Hitler wanted to "pinch" the allies.

If it wasn't for the T-34, the soviets would have lost the war. They got lucky.
 
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Nov 2015
757
Australia
Prior to the war, they were trading oil. World at War even has an interview with a Russian minister talking about how they were preparing a run of tankers for a train to go into Germany when the war broke out.
Precisely. German occupied Europe was cut off from western trade when war with Britain. With the non-aggression pact with the Soviet union, essential raw materials and oil was being supplied. In essence, the Soviet Union was aiding Hitler's war in the West.
Once war with the Soviet Union started, German occupied Europe was virtually cut off. And the clock was ticking on when everything ran out.
 
Feb 2013
1,283
Second City
As has been mentioned, the Soviet Union was literally fueling and literally feeding the German armies as they overran Western Europe during the period of the Nazi-Soviet alliance lasting from August 23, 1939 until June 22, 1941.

In fact, Nazi Germany got more out of the USSR during this exactly twenty-two month period of trade and cooperation between totalitarianisms than ever they were able to extract from the Soviet Union over the four years of Axis invasion and occupation. (Germany got more grain out of occupied Belgium than they got out of occupied Ukraine during World War II, to give some idea of how ineptly the Nazis administered conquered Soviet territory.)
 
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