Why do people keep insisting ISIS doesn't properly represent Islam?

Mar 2016
1,182
Australia
#1
The media and universities of my country (as well as other first world "Western" nations) keep insisting quite ardently that the horrible actions of ISIS don't properly represent Islam and the larger Muslim population, and that ISIS "distorts" and "lies" about what the Koran says and what most Muslims believe. Even President Obama has repeated this multiple times.

...but, from what I've researched about what the Koran actually says, a lot of what ISIS does and says are straight out of the Koran. I've read multiple essays and articles quoting the Koran and comparing it to the actions of ISIS, and a lot of it matches up exactly. I've also seen several studies that interviewed the populations of majority Muslim countries, and the results were kind of disturbing; in almost all of these countries the majority of people believe in the things that ISIS says, and some of them even approve of and support ISIS.

I'm not trying to paint the entire Muslim population of the world like this, but I don't think we're helping anybody by pretending that the problem with radical Islam is a group that is "distorting" and "falsifying" the Koran and Islam, instead of Islam itself, which is a fundamentally violent and oppressive religion that hasn't undergone anywhere close to the level of modernisation and moderation that Christianity has.
 
Jul 2014
1,602
world
#2
The media and universities of my country (as well as other first world "Western" nations) keep insisting quite ardently that the horrible actions of ISIS don't properly represent Islam and the larger Muslim population, and that ISIS "distorts" and "lies" about what the Koran says and what most Muslims believe. Even President Obama has repeated this multiple times.

...but, from what I've researched about what the Koran actually says, a lot of what ISIS does and says are straight out of the Koran. I've read multiple essays and articles quoting the Koran and comparing it to the actions of ISIS, and a lot of it matches up exactly. I've also seen several studies that interviewed the populations of majority Muslim countries, and the results were kind of disturbing; in almost all of these countries the majority of people believe in the things that ISIS says, and some of them even approve of and support ISIS.

I'm not trying to paint the entire Muslim population of the world like this, but I don't think we're helping anybody by pretending that the problem with radical Islam is a group that is "distorting" and "falsifying" the Koran and Islam, instead of Islam itself, which is a fundamentally violent and oppressive religion that hasn't undergone anywhere close to the level of modernisation and moderation that Christianity has.
Isis represents Islam in a very regressive form. They literally want to take Islam back to 7th century. Isis does not represent modern Islam ... Like that of turkey and Central Asia but Islam of losers who hate women and progress.

Islam was a progressive religion at the begining and women had more rights than any other major religions. Christianity and maybe Hinduism saw women as chattel during that period and granted them almost no rights.

Today it is the reverse. Christianity and Hinduism have evolved so much that it is almost not recognizable. It took Renaissance and massive religious wars in Europe to tame Christianity while in India it was Christians and Muslim missionaries which forced the Hindus to evolve.

Islam will evolve. Just look at the back lash to ISIS and see how many Kurds are going apostate. Many young Arabs and Turks do not believe in Islam and mullahs know that .

We will see the evolution of Islam in our lifetime and see Islam evolve into a more gentle religion. Otherwise Islam will just die off.

In short, Isis=\=Islam.
 

Vaeltaja

Ad Honorem
Sep 2012
3,690
#3
I'm quite certain that you could come up with equally nutty version of Christianity if you started selectively digging and rummaging through the various religious writings. Would that version then be properly representative of Christianity as a whole? Because that is what you are claiming about Daesh vs. Islam...
 

tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
13,478
#4
I'm quite certain that you could come up with equally nutty version of Christianity if you started selectively digging and rummaging through the various religious writings. Would that version then be properly representative of Christianity as a whole? Because that is what you are claiming about Daesh vs. Islam...
So why is there not a Christian version of ISIS with internatioanl support from 10s of millions of people ?
 
Jan 2011
1,306
Bangsar
#5
There are many form of Islam depend of how you interpret Islamic literature.
ISIS is one of the form, though a very small minority, their popularity is due to their atrocities.

As a Muslim, some of their action is not in line in some Islamic literature for e.g treatment of pow, their direction of prayers, rule of engagement etc. But maybe the recruits were new convert radicalized, mercenaries of fortune, deviant sect ; tldr they are not from mainstream Islam.

The question is do they represent Islam? Do they self appointed to represent Islam or majority of the Muslim vote them to represent Islam or outsider appointed them to represent Islam. Majority of Muslim do not agree with their value of course, so it must be the other two.
 
Dec 2015
3,699
USA
#6
The media and universities of my country (as well as other first world "Western" nations) keep insisting quite ardently that the horrible actions of ISIS don't properly represent Islam and the larger Muslim population, and that ISIS "distorts" and "lies" about what the Koran says and what most Muslims believe. Even President Obama has repeated this multiple times.

...but, from what I've researched about what the Koran actually says, a lot of what ISIS does and says are straight out of the Koran. I've read multiple essays and articles quoting the Koran and comparing it to the actions of ISIS, and a lot of it matches up exactly. I've also seen several studies that interviewed the populations of majority Muslim countries, and the results were kind of disturbing; in almost all of these countries the majority of people believe in the things that ISIS says, and some of them even approve of and support ISIS.

I'm not trying to paint the entire Muslim population of the world like this, but I don't think we're helping anybody by pretending that the problem with radical Islam is a group that is "distorting" and "falsifying" the Koran and Islam, instead of Islam itself, which is a fundamentally violent and oppressive religion that hasn't undergone anywhere close to the level of modernisation and moderation that Christianity has.

Its part of human history. Its similar to how folks argued and argue today that the Third Reich correctly or incorrectly represented Christianity.


Here is why Islam is not the problem but why people can be the problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant



#MyJihad | Our jihad is to reclaim Islam from extremists. What is yours?

Here you see Muslims in ISIL who want to conquer the world and enslave other. Compare this to everyday Muslims who oppose ISIL, saying Jihad means to work out each day, or study for that next math exam. And then there is the Jihad of Muslims in Iraq and Syria who team up with Christians to fight ISIL. So to deny that Muslims are in ISIL...would be incorrect ..but its ok and IMO beneficial to say that ISILs values go against Islam.
 
Aug 2010
16,202
Welsh Marches
#7
Isis represents Islam in a very regressive form. They literally want to take Islam back to 7th century. Isis does not represent modern Islam ... Like that of turkey and Central Asia but Islam of losers who hate women and progress.

Islam was a progressive religion at the begining and women had more rights than any other major religions. Christianity and maybe Hinduism saw women as chattel during that period and granted them almost no rights.

Today it is the reverse. Christianity and Hinduism have evolved so much that it is almost not recognizable. It took Renaissance and massive religious wars in Europe to tame Christianity while in India it was Christians and Muslim missionaries which forced the Hindus to evolve.

Islam will evolve. Just look at the back lash to ISIS and see how many Kurds are going apostate. Many young Arabs and Turks do not believe in Islam and mullahs know that .

We will see the evolution of Islam in our lifetime and see Islam evolve into a more gentle religion. Otherwise Islam will just die off.

In short, Isis=\=Islam.
I would like to believe that, but alas I am unable to believe it. Although many Muslims who live outside predominately Muslim societies are able to mix in well enough, and to adapt to modernity, there is no evidence that Islam is evolving toward any sort of reformation. In recent decades, indeed, all the evolution has been in the opposite direction, toward narrower and more intolerant forms of Islam. Nor is there any reason to think that Islam is losing its hold on the masses in Muslim countries, it is misleading to draw parallels with the way in which secularisation is loosening the hold of Christianity in much of the West. Islam has immense power and appeal in much of the world as an ideology, and in many places has grown much more potent than any secular ideology (nationalistic, socialistic etc.)
 
Nov 2010
6,221
Indiana
#8
The media and universities of my country (as well as other first world "Western" nations) keep insisting quite ardently that the horrible actions of ISIS don't properly represent Islam and the larger Muslim population, and that ISIS "distorts" and "lies" about what the Koran says and what most Muslims believe. Even President Obama has repeated this multiple times.

...but, from what I've researched about what the Koran actually says, a lot of what ISIS does and says are straight out of the Koran. I've read multiple essays and articles quoting the Koran and comparing it to the actions of ISIS, and a lot of it matches up exactly. I've also seen several studies that interviewed the populations of majority Muslim countries, and the results were kind of disturbing; in almost all of these countries the majority of people believe in the things that ISIS says, and some of them even approve of and support ISIS.

I'm not trying to paint the entire Muslim population of the world like this, but I don't think we're helping anybody by pretending that the problem with radical Islam is a group that is "distorting" and "falsifying" the Koran and Islam, instead of Islam itself, which is a fundamentally violent and oppressive religion that hasn't undergone anywhere close to the level of modernisation and moderation that Christianity has.
I am sure that you can find many things that ISIS teaches that are, if taken very literally, in the Koran. Christianity has the same problem with some teaching a very literal interpretation of the Bible. In the 50s there was a comedian, Gracie Allen, that took everything very literally and always got everything very wrong. Literal doesn't always mean it is the right interpretation. The thing is that most Muslims do not believe in the same rigid interpretation that ISIS does.
 
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tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
13,478
#9
Meanwhile another writer falls to 3 bullets from a muslim assassin who killed him "in the name of Islam"

In Jordania Nahed Hattar was killed for sharing a caricature on his facebook page

RIP
 
Nov 2010
6,221
Indiana
#10
Meanwhile another writer falls to 3 bullets from a muslim assassin who killed him "in the name of Islam"

In Jordania Nahed Hattar was killed for sharing a caricature on his facebook page

RIP
And at the same time, for every Muslim assassin there are thousands upon thousands of devout Muslims whose lives would put most of us to shame.