Why do people miss the USSR and a lot even want it back?

Oct 2010
4,972
DC
#32
Mere existence of Soviet Union kept Americans at check from doing whatever they wish. Soviet Union was good for those living outside it.
I was about to say " Many outsider favored the presence of the USSR out of hope (and spite) to somewhat counter the Americans"

Your last line sums it better, for more than the USSR as well.
 
Jan 2017
1,194
Durham
#33
Tyranny, slavery, hunger, mass slaughter, gulags....... so why do people still want it to come back?

Democracy is no more than an idea. It's subjective as to whether it is the best idea available. I personally think it is, but I recognise that we in England have lived under this system for a long time and so it follows we will automatically be directed to appreciate the system's values. In other words: indoctrinated. There's a popular misconception that only totalitarian governments indoctrinate people. That's patently not true and a cursory glance at countries such as Britain and the United States will tell you that. So, we're talking about degrees, and I do think that people in England and the United States do have more individual freedoms.

But, I was in Belgrade and Sarajevo last summer, and the people I talked with would have been more than happy to see a return to communist rule, and they sighted employment opportunites and anti-Liberalism and all that that entails as the reasons.

Watching a foreign influence turn your country upside down and in the meantime being out of work because the liberal economy is still in its infancy, is not everyone's cup of tea.
 
Dec 2015
3,490
USA
#34
Tyranny, slavery, hunger, mass slaughter, gulags....... so why do people still want it to come back?
Firstly I prefer living in the USA. I feel safe its accurate to say that myself along with the vast majority of Americans dont think our country should try out the Soviet Unions political system.

For two years I worked with a ex Soviet, he is now living in the USA. The guy has no reason to lie. This ex coworker of mine had family whom fought for the USSR against The Reich in WW2. He said that the critiques have made up stories about Lenin and Stalin to sell books. Thats his opinion on Stalin and Lenin of course. He says that the family was stronger in the Soviet times then in modern Russia and the USA where he lives now. That is to say there was less divorce in the Soviet times and less drinking addiction and such. Other Ex Soviets paint a different picture and are very critical of the Soviet Times. Every country has its dark history. The USSR had its struggles but the picture you paint is not what everyone agrees with friend. To this day Soviet people are honored around the world for their great achievements to science, math, film, art, The Steel and Auto industries.
 
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Mar 2019
813
Kansas
#35
Firstly I prefer living in the USA. I feel safe its accurate to say that myself along with the vast majority of Americans dont think our country should try out the Soviet Unions political system.

For two years I worked with a ex Soviet, he is now living in the USA. The guy has no reason to lie. This ex coworker of mine had family whom fought for the USSR against The Reich in WW2. He said that the critiques have made up stories about Lenin and Stalin to sell books. Thats his opinion on Stalin and Lenin of course. He says that the family was stronger in the Soviet times then in modern Russia and the USA where he lives now. That is to say there was less divorce in the Soviet times and less drinking addiction and such. Other Ex Soviets paint a different picture and are very critical of the Soviet Times. Every country has its dark history. The USSR had its struggles but the picture you paint is not what everyone agrees with friend. To this day Soviet people are honored around the world for their great achievements to science, math, film, art, The Steel and Auto industries.
I think it might be a good time to mention Churchill's quote about Russia from 1939 "Russia is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma,"

70 years later I really don't think much has changed.
 
Jun 2017
2,771
Connecticut
#36
Tyranny, slavery, hunger, mass slaughter, gulags....... so why do people still want it to come back?
Well the empire besides Stalin does get a bad wrap based on Stalin's behavior. Lenin for example gets excused of being a mass murdering lunatic when he never got a chance to rule in peace time.

But it's because Marxists despite being a very small percentage of the population have an oversized influence in discussions on this topic. Also socialists who misunderstand the
definition of Marxism because the false one is so commonly parroted by all sides of the political debate(Marxists cause they want to have the term and conservatives because this makes socialism look worse)feel some sort of kinship to the Soviet Union that really shouldn't be there.

Per wanting the empire to literally return. Not so sure there's a movement for this and if there is probably people misunderstanding what Marxists say when they say they want revolution(the term soviet union means union of soviets which their vision in any part of the world would be nothing about the term soviet union distinctive to Russia and that area). Maybe the Russians want Russia's power from that era to be restored but I doubt anyone outside of the Communist party wants a literally restored Soviet Union. And a literally restored Soviet Union would really just be the Russian Federation with a name change at this point with the Eurasian union countries(of which there's like 3 or 4) joining at most. Wouldn't really change the dynamic of international politics all that much.
 
#37
Sorry, did You asked Yourself if those predicaments (and others) would even existed without a Soviet Union?
Post collapse of Russian Empire, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan became independent (putting it loosely) and from that moment to the consolidation of Soviet power, Armenians and Azeris had been at each others' throats constantly over Karabakh. Azerbaijani Forces even managed a Turkish style Genocide of the Armenians at Shusha. So undoubtedly, without the presence of a larger entity there has always been very little hope of piece between Azeris and Armenians.

The problem, in its modern form has its roots in Stalin's decision to keep Nagorno Karabakh Otonomous Oblast within Azerbaijan SSR to -
1) Placate Turkey
2) Maintain a divide and rule situation so that neither party considered the Bolsheviks prime foes
However you can say if this were rectified later then there could have been less problems post collapse of Soviet Union. But who plans for beyond dissolution of his own country? Although sporadic unrests took place, those were nothing serious enough for the Politburo to consider redrawing the map.

In short, the Soviet could lay the problem to rest but didn't do it because their presence itself was enough. But without the Soviets the whole of 1900s would have been just like today.
 

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